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No Fellowship with Polygamists Allowed

Messenger and Advocate (May 1837), pg. 511: “1st. That we will have no fellowship whatever with any Elder belonging to the quorums of the Seventies who is guilty of polygamy or any offense of the kind, and who does not in all things conform to the laws of the church contained in the Bible and in the Book of Doctrine and Covenants.”

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Joseph Smith’s Bad Behavior is No Problem!

Journal of Discourses 4:77; “If he acts like a devil, he has brought forth a doctrine that will save us, if we will abide it. He may get drunk every day of his life, sleep with his neighbor’s wife every night, run horses and gamble, I do not care anything about that, for I never embrace any man in my faith. But the doctrine he has produced will save you and me, and the whole world; and if you can find fault with that, find it.” – Brigham Young, Salt Lake City, November 9, 1856

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No Fellowship with Polygamists Allowed

Messenger and Advocate (May 1837), pg. 511: “1st. That we will have no fellowship whatever with any Elder belonging to the quorums of the Seventies who is guilty of polygamy or any offense of the kind, and who does not in all things conform to the laws of the church contained in the Bible and in the Book of Doctrine and Covenants.”

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Nephites: Very White and Highly Intelligent

The Juvenile Instructor, No 11, Vol. 1, pg 43; “The Nephites, on the contrary, were a very industrious, peaceable people…They were also a very white and beautiful and highly intellectual and cultivated people…After this there were none but Lamanites left, and the present American Indians are their descendants.” – Salt Lake City, June 1, 1866

http://archive.org/stream/juvenileinstruct0111geor/juvenileinstruct0111geor_djvu.txt

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Joseph Smith Knows More than Whole Earth

Times and Seasons 5:614-617; “…No man can learn you more than what I have told you…I have been reading the German and find it to be the most correct…I know more than all the world put together, (pg 614 – 1st paragraph) and the Holy Ghost within me comprehends more than all the world…I have now preached a little Latin, a little Hebrew, Greek and German, and I have fulfilled all. I am not so big a fool as many have taken me to be. The Germans know that I read the German correct. (pg 617 – 2nd paragraph)…” http://www.centerplace.org/history/ts/v5n15.htm

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Brigham isn’t Sure How Earth was Created

Journal of Discourses 14:116-117; “As for the Bible account of the creation we may say that the Lord gave it to Moses, or that Moses obtained the history and traditions of the fathers, and from them picked out what he considered necessary…no matter whether it is correct or not, and whether the Lord found the earth empty or void, or whether he made it out of nothing or out of the rude elements…it will remain a matter of speculation in the minds of men unless he give revelation on the subject.” – Brigham Young, Salt Lake City, May 14, 1871

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Leave Mormonism, Lose Family

Journal of Discourses 4:165; “A motion has been put, and unanimously carried, that John Hyde be cut off root and branch, that is, himself and all the roots and branches that are within him; this has no allusion to his family. He has taken a course by which he has lost his family and forfeited his Priesthood; he has forfeited his membership. The limb is cut off, but the Priesthood takes the fruit that was attached to the limb and saves it, if it will be saved. Do you understand me? His wife is not cut off from this Church, but she is free from him; she is just as free from him as though she never had belonged to him. The limb she was connected to is cut off, and she must again be grafted into the tree, if she wishes to be saved; that is all about it.” – Heber C. Kimball, Salt Lake City, January 11, 1857

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Joseph a Second Mohammed?

Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, p. 230-231; “We will trample down our enemies and make it one gore of blood from the Rocky Mountains to the Atlantic Ocean. I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Qu’ran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us – ‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’” – Joseph Smith, October 14, 1838

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Earth not Made out of Nothing

Journal of Discourses 14:116-117; “…to assert that the Lord made this earth out of nothing is preposterous and impossible. God never made something out of nothing; it is not in the economy or law by which the worlds were, are, or will exist…How long it has been organized it is not for me to say, and I do not care anything about it.” – Brigham Young, Salt Lake City, May 14, 1871

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Church Views Outweighs Truth

Journal of Discourses 5:83-84; “…if the Prophet of God should tell me that a certain principle or theory which I might have learned was not true , I do not care what my ideas might have been, I should consider it my duty, as the suggestion of my file leader, to abandon that principle or theory.” – Wilford Woodruff, Salt Lake City, April 9, 1857

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Civil War won’t Free the Slaves

Journal of Discourses 10:250; “Will the present struggle free the slave? No.…Treat the slaves kindly and let them live, for Ham must be the servant of servants until the curse is removed. Can you destroy the decrees of the Almighty? You cannot.”— Brigham Young, Salt Lake City, October 6, 1863

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Christians are Whoremasters

Journal of Discourses 5:90; “Christians—those poor, miserable priests brother Brigham was speaking about—some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men. The poor devils, they could not get up here and preach an oral discourse, to save themselves from hell; they are preaching their fathers’ sermons—preaching sermons that were written a hundred years before they were born.” – Heber C. Kimball, Salt Lake City, July 26, 1857

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Angelic Vision: Indians Came from Abraham

The Joseph Smith Papers, 9-11 November 1835, Monday-Wednesday, Journal 1835-1836, p. 24; “…he [the angel] said unto me I am a messenger sent from God, be faithful and keep his commandments in all things, he told me of a sacred record which was written on plates of gold, I saw in the vision the place where they were deposited, he said the Indians were the literal descendants of Abraham…”  http://josephsmithpapers.org/paperSummary/journal-1835%E2%80%931836#25

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Denial of Polygamy Means No Salvation

Journal of Discourses 3:266; “Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned; and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given, and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.” – Brigham Young, Provo, July 14, 1855

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Mormon Jesus vs. Biblical Jesus

2 Nephi 26:11; “For the Spirit of the Lord will not always strive with man. And when the Spirit ceaseth to strive with man then cometh speedy destruction, and this grieveth my soul.”

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Thought of the Day about Mormonism and ABC News 2

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mormonism-peek-inside-temple-rituals-family-life/story?id=17064900#.UDbdGPZmRAA

Unfortunately as I thought, part two of ABC News’ piece on the Mormon Church didn’t really do justice to what the true LDS Church is really like.  And to me this is disappointing because if I’m watching the news for truthful information I’d like to spend my precious time learning something new.

While I wasn’t expecting to be blown away I was hoping they would at least tell the truth about what Mormons really believe.  I’m not sure I understand why they didn’t ask them who they thought Jesus was or how many of the Mormon population is actually temple worthy.

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Qualifying for Eternity

The Gospel Culture”, Liahona and Ensign, March 2012; “Heavenly Father loves all His children. This is an immensely powerful idea that children can begin to understand through the love and sacrifice of their earthly parents. Love is the most powerful force in the world. I pray that every parent is providing the kind of loving example that encourages the rising generation to understand the love of God toward them and the great desire of our Heavenly Father that all of His children on earth do what is necessary to qualify for the choicest blessings of eternity.”— Dallin H. Oaks

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No Suppressing Polygamy

Journal of Discourses 20:276; “If plural marriage be divine, as the Latter-day Saints say it is, no power on earth can suppress it, unless you crush and destroy the entire people.” – George Q. Cannon, Salt Lake City, July 20, 1879

Well the people are still around but polygamy isn’t so what does this prophecy mean?

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I try to be fair – I really do!

But tonight I just  finished watching ABC News and their report on Mormonism. After a brief intro of how Joseph believed he saw the Father and the Son in a grove of trees, they posed three questions:

1. Why all the secrecy?

2. What do they believe?

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Jesus Begotten by Adam

Journal of Discourses 1:50-51; “What a learned idea’ Jesus, our elder brother was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the Garden of Eden, and who is our Father in heaven.” – Brigham Young, Salt Lake City, April 9, 1852

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