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The Testimonies of Mormonism

Posted in Foundation of Mormonism, tagged bible, Book of Mormon, false gospel, freedom, God, Holy Spirit, Jesus, Jesus Christ, joseph smith, lds church, Mormon testimonies, Mormon testimony, mormonism, Moroni, salvation, truth on 10/19/2010 | Leave a Comment »

Many new ideas stemmed from the visions of Joseph Smith. As we begin our foundation series I felt it was better to begin here with testimonies.

If it weren’t for the tesitmony of Smith, everything in Mormonism is all for naught.

“No testimony is more significant to us in our time than the witness of Joseph Smith.” – Robert Hales, Ensign, Nov. 2009, pg. 30.

When I was a Mormon I had the Mormon testimony down pat. I knew every single thing required of me to “bear my testimony”. It didn’t matter if I told someone I loved Jesus and it didn’t matter if I couldn’t tell people why I was a “Christian”. For the Mormon, bearing your testimony is sharing your latest experience as a Mormon and closing it by reciting a predetermined, memorized snippet of your devotion to the LDS Church.

Mormon testimonies are shared by members at their “Fast and Testimony Meetings” held once a month. Not everyone will stand up to share with the congregation, but they do feel compelled to do so if they’ve been to the temple recently.

The parents of children will strongly encourage their toddlers to stand up during the meeting to bear their testimonies as well. They consider this to be good practice for them. Most Mormon testimonies will go something like this:

“Today I did…and…I want to say how grateful I am for my family and the temple….and I would like to close my testimony by stating that I know the Book of Mormon is the word of God, that Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God. I know the Mormon Church is the only true church on the face of the earth. I bear you my testimony in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.”

At the end of this section in our foundations series, I’ve listed another side by side comparison chart I use when teaching on Mormonism.

I’ve also included a chapter from our Mentoring Handbook. We give the handbooks out to our mentors and Mormons who’ve come out of the Church to help them clear the fog from their minds.

If you’re a Mormon and would like a free copy of our handbook, call or e-mail and I’d be more than happy to send you one.

Know that we’re praying for you daily and we also hope you know how much God loves you. You are precious in His eyes and He wants nothing more than to have a relationship with you!

With Love in Christ;

Michelle

1 Cor. 1:18

17 – BEARING YOUR TESTIMONY

From the LDS series of books entitled “Answers to Gospel Questions”, there is a question asked by a member of the Church, (vol. 3:28) which says:

“Question: “Will you kindly tell me what is a testimony of the gospel, and what must one do to obtain one?”

Sometimes when I pray for the Mormons, the only thing I pray is for the Holy Spirit to reveal it is okay to be an individual and have personal experiences with the Lord which doesn’t include the Church or one of the prophets. This is how Joseph F. Smith defined a testimony:

“…In relation to the gospel, a testimony is a revelation to the individual who earnestly seeks one by prayer, study, and faith. It is the impression or speaking of the Holy Ghost to the soul in a convincing, positive manner. It is something which is far more penetrating than impressions from any other source, but it cannot fully be described.”

After this, he quotes Moroni 10:4-5 that says if you ask with a sincere heart the Lord will reveal truth to you with a sign of a “burning in the bosom”. And then the prophet says;

“However it should be kept in mind that the person seeking for this knowledge will not have the privilege of repeated manifestations. He is not entitled to the continual guidance of the Holy Ghost. The Lord will reveal the truth once; then when this testimony has been given, the person should accept the truth and receive the gospel by baptism and the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.”

The Encyclopedia of Mormonism, pg. 1472 says this about testimonies;

“The essence of a testimony is a personal inward assurance of Jesus Christ’s divinity, and it provides the fundamental basis for a Christian life. One becomes a disciple of Christ in the fullest spiritual sense only when a personal testimony of Jesus is received…To have such a testimony is to be conscious that God has borne witness within one’s soul by the power of the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ (D&C 46:13).”

This almost sounds “Christian” doesn’t it? If you were to see just that part of their definition you’d be wondering why there’s a problem. That is why I included “rest of the story”.

As I was participating in a debate with a stake president recently, someone asked him if he knew for sure that he was saved. After a very pregnant pause, he answered “Oh, now you’re testing my humility. I would hope that I’m doing all right, I mean I certainly do try hard but I am hoping that I have another thirty or so years to try and perfect it.”

After he said all that he let out a big breath and continued on to say he believes the Book of Mormon is the word of God, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true church on the face of the earth, he knows Joseph Smith is a prophet of God as is Gordon Hinckley, he also knows that nothing would come between him and the Church. My heart breaks for the man who sat in that chair with his shoulders slumping over and looking very tired.

Make sure you’re generous with your time when sharing your testimony with the Mormons and ex-Mormons! Hearing that someone actually has a personal relationship with God and His Son Jesus is an eye opener for many lost in the dark of Mormonism.

Lesson Plan for Chapter 17

1. Using an English dictionary, describe the word “testimony”.

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2. What is necessary to “gain a testimony” according to the LDS Church? What about Christianity? ________________________________________

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3. What did Jesus say in John 14:23 and how does this disagree with the LDS prophet’s answer? _________________________________________

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4. What is necessary to truly become a disciple of Christ? See Romans 10:9. _______________________________________________

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Testimonies

Christian	Mormon
Romans 4:18, 23; “Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was reckoned unto him.”	*Gospel Standards, pg.* 22; “THE MISSION OF JESUS CHRIST. We are not dependent upon the testimony of men who lived many hundreds of years ago. We have the testimony that is given to us from the Prophet Joseph Smith, and from Sidney Rigdon that they saw the Son, that they heard the voice declare from the heavens that He was the Only Begotten of the Father, that by Him and of Him the worlds were created, and that He lives, for they saw Him.”
Hebrews 11:6; “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”	Gospel Standards, pg. 26; “HOW TESTIMONY IS GAINED. Wherever the gospel of Christ has gone, men and women by the hundreds and thousands have embraced it and have been able to bear individual testimony that they received a witness of the divinity of the work in which we as Latter-day Saints are engaged after supplicating God for a testimony. This testimony has not come through their own study, nor through the natural intelligence with which God has endowed them, but in answer to earnest and sincere prayer, uttered in the name of Jesus Christ our Redeemer, for light and knowledge regarding the divinity of this work.—70th Birthday Pamphlet, November, 1926, pp. 14-15.”
2 Timothy 1:12; “For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.”	Living the Gospel, pg. 51; “There is nothing in this world for which I am so grateful as an absolute knowledge that we, the Latter-day Saints, have the true gospel of Jesus Christ”. This testimony, borne by President Heber J. Grant, is typical of those from the lips of thousands…”
Hebrews 10:15; “Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.”	Ensign, November 2009, pg. 30; “No testimony is more significant to us in our time than the witness of Joseph Smith. He was the prophet chosen to restore the ancient Church of Christ in this, the last time when the gospel will be on the earth before the return of Jesus Christ. Like all the prophets who opened the work of God in their dispensations, Joseph was given especially clear and powerful prophetic experiences to prepare the world for the Savior’s Second Coming.” – Robert D. Hales
Matthew 6:24; “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.”2 Cor. 4:13-14; “We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak; 14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.”	www.lds.org; “For a testimony of the restored gospel to be complete, it must include a testimony of Joseph Smith’s divine mission. The truthfulness of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints rests on the truthfulness of the First Vision and the other revelations the Lord gave to the Prophet Joseph. President John Taylor, the third President of the Church, wrote, “Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it” (D&C 135:3).”
Romans 8:38-39; “For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”	www.lds.org; “Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have the sacred opportunity and responsibility to obtain their own testimonies. Having obtained a testimony, each member has a duty to nurture it throughout life… Testimony comes through the quiet influence of the Holy Ghost. The results of a testimony can be miraculous and life changing, but the gift of testimony usually comes as a quiet assurance, without spectacular displays of God’s power… Testimony grows gradually through experiences. No one receives a complete testimony all at once. It grows as individuals show willingness to serve in the Church and to study, pray, and learn. It increases as individuals obey God’s commandments.”

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The Salvation of Mormonism

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In the spring of ’92 I was expecting my third child in four years and wondering how many more babies I’d have to give birth to before the Mormon god would accept me. Half way through my pregnancy I went out for a walk with my 14 month old daughter Jacqui and noticed a couple of women about my age standing outside chatting with each other.

As I got closer I saw one of the women wearing a cross necklace. I thought of it as another opportunity to find out more about the all elusive cross that as a Mormon I was told not to worry about and directly told not to have in our homes.

The questions I asked Nancy set into motion the things I should have done years before. It had been a long road for me in the eleven years between the time I left Utah and Seattle. I had traveled the world, lived in many places throughout the states and quite frankly, I was tired. I was tired of trying to live up to the demands of what I had learned in my Mormon life of what it meant to go to heaven.

On the remainder of my walk home that day I thought about Joseph Smith and whether or not I could accept him as a true prophet of God. I also thought about the Book of Mormon I had stashed away in a box out in the garage. Thoughts of becoming an eternally pregnant goddess wife with a polygamous husband were teachings of the Church I had doubted for quite awhile. I also wondered what being tarred and feathered in 1832 and Joseph’s death in a gunfight had done for me.

I decided to get the Book of Mormon out of its box to sit down and compare it with the King James Bible I had received when I got baptized at the age of eight. Nothing in either book convinced me that my suspicions about the Church were right so I started digging deeper. Keep in mind I didn’t know how to use a Bible either so it really didn’t help me out that much in the initial stages.

My investigation took me to the writings of the Church that weren’t found in my 3-in-1 (a compilation of “scriptural” works published by the LDS Church.) All I wanted was to make sure I could follow Jesus and get to heaven. I knew my investigating wasn’t what the Church would want me to do, but I wanted God more than Joe Smith.

Within the week I told myself I’d read the book the “evil guy from GodMakers” wrote. I had seen the film back in 1983 when I lived in Oklahoma City. I wanted to make sure I wasn’t imagining anything and I half wanted to prove that guy wrong even though I didn’t agree with everything in Mormonism. I drove 30 miles out of town to ensure no Mormons could see me buying his book even though I didn’t know any Mormons where I lived. God certainly has a sense of humor; I began working with Ed in the spring of ’94!

I brought the GodMakers book home and started reading the references he gave in the 3-in-1 and Bible. I made charts, I went to the library to look at Greek dictionaries and history books he gave references for and I finally accepted an invitation to go to church with Nancy. It had been ten months since I met her on my walk with Jacqui. By this time our daughter Axi was five months old.

I finally discovered the salvation I had been looking for wasn’t in any of the Mormon books I kept reading, i.e. Gospel Doctrine, or in any of the good things I kept doing. The salvation I finally found came from a man I’d never known who willingly hung on a cross on my behalf and gave His very life so I wouldn’t have to give up mine.

My beehive syndrome was put to rest at long last and I “got saved” when I was thirty years old. No amount of baptisms for the dead, giving birth to babies or attending Relief Society meetings provided me with the relationship I was always in search of – only God did that.

I pray that if you’re a member of the LDS Church you would know the true love God has for you! Below is part of a power point presentation I give when teaching on Mormonism. It’s a side by side chart comparing Christian salvation to Mormon salvation.

If you, as a Mormon, find anything in any of my references that is incorrect I hope you’ll contact me. I don’t want to be wrong. If you’re angry, I understand because I was madder than a wet hen. I hated it when people would question the Church and took it as a direct insult to my heritage. The thing is though – both sides can’t be right. It’s either one or the other. I know as a Mormon I loved Jesus, but what I didn’t know is that he’s the wrong Jesus. The Jesus of Mormonism isn’t the same Jesus of the Bible.

If you’re Mormon know I pray for you every single day of my life and want for you to know that you can have the peace God tells you about in the Bible. Hope to hear from you soon!

With Love in Christ;

Michelle

1 Cor. 1:18

Salvation

Christian	Mormon
Acts 4:12; “Neither is there salvation in any other; for there is *none other name* under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”	D&C 132:7 & Mormon Doctrine 411; “The *President of the Church* of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints *holds the keys of salvation for all men*…”
Eph. 2:8-9; “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 *Not of works*, lest any man should boast.”	2 Nephi 25:23; “…for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do”.
Hebrews 10:11-12; “And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the *same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever*, sat down on the right hand of God.”	D&C 76:52; “That by *keeping the commandments* they might be *washed and cleansed from all their sins…”Moroni 10:26; “And wo unto them who shall do these* things away *and die, for they die in their sins, and they cannot be saved* in the kingdom of God.”
1 Cor. 15:29; “Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?”	D&C 128:15; “…let me assure you that these are principles in relation to thedead and the living that cannot be lightly passedover, as pertaining to our salvation. For *their* *salvation is necessary and essential to our salvation*…”
Mark 12:23-25; “In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife. 24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, *because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? 25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage*; but are as the angels which are in heaven.”	Gospel Through the Ages, pgs. 119-120; “Marriage is not only a righteous institution, but *obedience to this law is absolutely necessary* in order to obtain the highest exaltation in the Kingdom of God.”
Revelation 3:20; “Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”	Joseph Smith: The Choice Seer, Epilogue; “Because of Joseph Smith, we have a hope born of the Spirit and strengthened by prophetic declaration that the faithfulness of parents to their temple covenants can secure their children everlastingly… Ours is the song of *praise to the man ordained from eternity past to part the veil and open the heavens, for through him the fulness of truth and the fulness of priesthood powers have come to earth again.*”
Mark 10:25-27; “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved? 27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.”	Mormon Doctrine, pg. 670; “*Full salvation* is attained by virtue of knowledge, truth, righteousness, and all true principles. *Many conditions must exist in order to make such salvation available to men…If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.* (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 2, pp. 1-350.)”
Psalm 37:39; “But the salvation of the righteous is from the LORD; He is their strength in time of trouble.”	Discourses of Wilford Woodruff: page 23; “If I ever obtain a *full salvation it will be by my keeping the laws of God*.”
Mark 12:28-31; “And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.”	Ensign, November 1981, pg. 104; “Since the beginning, a woman’s first and most important role has been *ushering into mortality spirit sons and daughters* of our Father in Heaven.” – Ezra Taft Benson
Romans 5:8; “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”	Miracle of Forgiveness, pg. 166; “The Lord *cannot save men in their sins but only from their sins*, and that only when they have shown true repentance.” – Spencer W. Kimball

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The Pre-existence of Mormonism

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This particular teaching of the LDS Church is one of the three main reasons I left the Mormon Church.

In order to believe in Mormonism, the acceptance of man living with God before the earth was created is a must. They teach that mankind was created spiritually through a sexual union between God and one of his billions of wives. Your behavior in the pre-existence determined which family you’re born into, where and when you would live your mortal life and what color of skin you’d have here. If you had anything less than stellar behavior there, the chances of you being born “white and delightsome” here were slim to nothing.

I was taught in countless Sacrament Meetings, Primary, MIA classes and LDS Seminary that my black curly hair, dark brown eyes and olive skin was proof I hadn’t been valiant. I always wondered what the millions of other people must’ve done to deserve being born in Africa or China. In the end my biggest question was why God suddenly liked my family in June of 1978 when we hadn’t changed anything in our behavior. Kimball’s revelation was the first time I started questioning the leadership.

The Pearl of Great Price contains the story of how the world came to be and what happened in the pre-existence. From the book of Abraham the Mormons are taught the gods organized the earth, Jesus and Lucifer are brothers, Jesus was chosen as a savior of the world, and their god lives near a star called Kolob. It also teaches that Ham married a black woman (Egyptus) so the world would have a representative of Satan on earth after the flood.

The problem with all this? The Bible warns us of false teachings such as these. Below is another section of the power point presentation I give when teaching on Mormonism. The side by side examples of Christianity and Mormonism is a simplistic tool to use when witnessing to Mormons or for the Mormon to use when investigating the teachings of the Church.

If you’re Mormon we want for you to know that we pray for you each day and hope that we hear from you! If you believe anything in the materials presented are incorrect, please contact me so that I can fix the wrong information. I don’t want to be wrong. The materials I’ve used for references are taken directly from the writings and teachings of the LDS Church.

With Love in Christ;

Michelle Grim

1 Cor. 1:18

Pre-existence of mankind

Christian	Mormon
I Cor. 15:46-7; “However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.”	Moses 3:7, 4:1-2: “And I, the LORD God *formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life…all things were before created*; but spiritually were they created…”
John 1:12-13; “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to *become* the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were *born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man,* but of God.”	Mortal Messiah 1:23; “*Christ and all men are spirit children of the Father… He begat us; we are the offspring of Heavenly Parents; we have an Eternal Father and an Eternal Mother. We were born as spirits, and we dwelt in the presence of our Eternal Parents; we lived before our mortal birth…Christ was the Firstborn of all the heavenly host; Lucifer was a son of the morning…and Christ is our Elder Brother*.” – Bruce McConkie
Romans 11:34; “For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?”	Saviors on Mount Zion, pg. 7; “The Father called all spirits before him at the creation of man, and organized them. . . . *At the first organization we were all present,* and saw the Savior chosen and appointed and the plan of salvation made, and we sanctioned it. We came to this earth that we might have a body and present it pure before God in the celestial kingdom.” – Archibald Bennett
Romans 9:11; “(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;).”	Encyclopedia of Mormonism, pg. 116; “In the Council in Heaven, God the Father offered his spirit children the opportunity to progress toward becoming like he is by leaving his presence and being born on earth in a mortal, physical body and learning to live by faith (Abr. 3:22-28). Mortal birth is the event by which one’s spirit body is temporarily joined with a mortal tabernacle begotten by earthly parents.”
Isaiah 44:24; “Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself.”	Teachings of Harold B. Lee, pg. 22; “Now, the fact that you and I are here in mortal bodies is evidence that we were among those who were in that great concourse of organized intelligences; we knew God, our Father. He was our Heavenly Father; we were sired by Him. We had a Heavenly Mother—can you think of having a father without a mother?”
Genesis 2:7; “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”	Mormon Doctrine, pg. 590; “From the time of their spirit birth, the Father’s pre-existent offspring were endowed with agency and subjected to the provisions of the laws ordained for their government. They had power to obey or disobey and to progress in one field or another. “The first principles of man are self-existent with God,” the Prophet said. “God himself, finding he was in the midst of spirits and glory, because he was more intelligent, saw proper to institute laws whereby the rest could have a privilege to advance like himself.” (Teachings, p. 354.)”
Job 31:15; “Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?”	That Ye May Believe, pg. 10; “If we criticize God or are unduly miffed over sufferings and tribulation, we are really criticizing the Planner for implementing the very plan we once approved, premortally (see Job 38:4, 7). Granted, we don’t now remember the actual approval. But not remembering is actually part of the plan!” – Neal Maxwell
1 Timothy 6:16; “Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.”	God and Man in Eternal Union, pg. 4; “Before mortality man, as a self-existing entity, had been organized as a spirit being, in similar form and stature as his physical body. Christ was the firstborn in the primeval world. fn He and others attained to great intelligence and power in that sphere of existence, and were consequently called Gods. Among other things, they participated in the creation, as the Prophet pointed out when he said, “The head of the Gods called a council of the Gods…” – Hyrum Andrus
John 3:13; “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”	Gospel Doctrine, pg. 93; “We want to know where we came from, and where we are going. Where did we come from? From God. Our spirits existed before they came to this world. They were in the councils of the heavens before the foundations of the earth were laid. We were there.” – Joseph F. Smith

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The Jesus of Mormonism

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“He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.” – Matthew 16:15-16

The above two verses captured my attention as a Mormon teenager growing up in Utah. I didn’t understand the meaning of the word Christ, but instinctively knew it had to mean more than what I was being taught.

Today whenever I meet a Mormon missionary, my question is always the same;

Who do you think Jesus is?

Not surprisingly, I get a different answer from each and every Mormon I encounter. When I think of the missionaries who come to my door I can’t help but think of a song by Hillsong called “Inside Out”. One of the lines says “…the art of losing myself in bringing You praise…” It never would’ve crossed my mind to do such a thing as a Mormon and the way the missionaries talk about Joseph Smith I’m convinced it doesn’t for them either. So again, I am asking:

What did Jesus do in your life today?

Do you even know?

Have you even stopped to think of it?

I’m not asking you what “calling” you received and love to do. I’m not talking about how you got to church on time, your promotion at work or that you found the elusive sock from your dryer.

What did Jesus do for you today?

How about yesterday?

How is your life different because of what He did?

After forty six years of studying the Jesus of Mormonism, I am convinced the doctrines of the LDS Church are polar opposite of the teachings in the Holy Bible. As people have read and known for centuries past, the Jesus of the Bible is God incarnate who came here to this earth to serve as the Paschal Lamb and die for our sins. Not one time in thirty years of being a Mormon had I ever heard such a thing.

During the time of learning new things in Christianity, finding truths in the Bible came as a welcome relief while at the same time hurting my heart deeply for those still ensnared in the grip of Mormonism – my mother comes to mind first and foremost.

In the years since my exodus I’ve been asked to speak at countless churches, have provided dozens of hours of radio programs that teach on the dangers of Mormonism and have spent thousands of hours providing exit counseling for those who’ve decided to leave as well.

The chart below is part of a power point presentation I provide when teaching at churches. You’ll see the side by side comparison is clearly able to show the Jesus of the Bible is not the same Jesus of Mormonism.

The LDS Church has turned their Jesus into a polygamist, created by a god who is also a polygamist. He is the elder brother of Lucifer they can’t have a relationship with and will never be able to emulate or know. The Jesus of Mormonism was a white man from Jerusalem who died on the cross, but not for your sins, nor can his shed blood save you from all sins.

I have faith in God and pray He will open the minds of my people to see the truth for themselves. In this fast paced world that wants instantaneous answers to their questions, hopefully what we’ve posted here will cause them to begin questioning.

If you’re a Mormon, we want you to know that we pray for you every single day. We don’t post these things to bash or to embarrass you. We do this because we understand where you are now – we’ve been in your shoes.

We’re praying you want a real relationship with Jesus and hope to hear from you soon!

With Love in Christ;

Michelle

1 Cor. 1:18

JESUS

Christian	Mormon
Luke 1:35; “And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God.””	*Not begotten by the HS.* Journal of Discourses-1:51; “…if the Son was begotten by the Holy Ghost, it would be very dangerous to baptize and confirm females & give the Holy Ghost to them, lest *he should beget children*…”
John 8:58; “Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.”” John 1:1, 14a; “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us…”	*He is a strange god.* Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith-372; “Many men say there is one God…I say *that is a strange God* anyhow—three in one and one in three! It is a curious organization.”
Col. 1:15-16a: “And He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on the earth, visible and invisible…”	*Chosen to be a god.* Mormon Doctrine pg. 129; “*By obedience* and devotion to the truth *he attained that pinnacle* of intelligence which ranked him as a God, as the Lord omnipotent, while yet in his pre-existent state. …*he was then chosen* to work out the infinite and eternal atonement…and to put the whole plan of redemption, salvation, and exaltation in operation.”
Heb. 1:5; “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?”	*Lucifer’s brother.* Gospel through the Ages pg. 15; “The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning.”
1 Cor. 5:21; “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”	*He was a polygamist*. Jesus Was Married, by Ogden Kraut, pg. 27; “The first principle, ordinance, and commandment given to man was the marriage law. It would indeed seem very peculiar that the Lord of all mankind would be a perfect example in all things except marriage. Historical records, scriptural evidence, and reason all prove that He was the God Shepherd in obeying every law of the Gospel.”
1 John 1:9; “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”	*His blood cannot save murderers.* Discourses of Joseph Smith, pg. 221; “”Remission of sins by baptism was not to be preached to murderers. All the priests of Christendom might pray for a murderer on the scaffold forever, but could not avail so much as a gnat towards their forgiveness. There is no forgiveness for murderers.”
Isaiah 44:24; “Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself.”	*He is our literal elder brother.* Discourses of Brigham Young pg. 26; “Our Lord Jesus Christ—the Savior, who has redeemed the world and all things pertaining to it, is the Only Begotten of the Father pertaining to the flesh. He is our Elder Brother, and the Heir of the family…”
Isaiah 7:14; “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”	*Virgin Mary is white & delightsome.* 1 Nephi 11:13; “And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the great city of Jerusalem, and also other cities. And I beheld the city of Nazareth; and in the city of Nazareth I beheld a virgin, and she was exceedingly fair and white.”
Hebrews 12:2; “Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.”	*Died on the cross, but not for your sins.* D&C 19:18-19; “Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink— Nevertheless, glory be to the Father, and I partook and finished my preparations unto the children of men.”
Matthew 2:1; “Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem.”	*Born in Jerusalem.* Alma 7:10; “And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers, she being a virgin…”
Luke 2:4; “And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)”	*A white man –* 3 Nephi 19:30; “And when Jesus had spoken these words he came again unto his disciples; and behold they did pray steadfastly, without ceasing, unto him; and he did smile upon them again; and behold they were white, even as Jesus.”
John 11:25; “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.”	*Had to qualify to become redeemer.* Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg. 8; “To qualify as the Redeemer of all our Father’s children, Jesus had to be perfectly obedient to all the laws of God.”
Hebrews 1:3; “Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.”	*Volunteered for the atonement.* Answers to Gospel Questions 1:32; “…before Adam and Eve were sent to the earth, and Jesus Christ volunteered to come and atone for this transgression and thus gain the victory over the devil. Therefore, he is called the “Lamb of God,”,,,”
1 Tim. 2:5; “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”	*A god.* Doctrines of Salvation 1:32; “Our Savior was a God before he was born into this world, and he brought with him that same status when he came here.”
Mark 13:21-22; “And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.”	Gordon B. Hinckley, LDS Church News, June 20, 1998, p. 7; “*The traditional Christ of whom they [evangelical Christians] speak is not the Christ of whom I speak*. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.”

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The Holy Ghost of Mormonism

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In this part of our series on the “foundations of Mormonism”, we’re taking a look at the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit of Mormonism. I remember being around Christians as a Mormon and wondered where they got their effervescent personalities. They always seemed to be a “free spirit” without the shame ridden fears I carried around with me all those years.

Little did I know at the time I was witnessing the presence of the Holy Spirit. This Holy Spirit moved them in their lives and allowed those around them to see God’s love for His creation.

Not long after the day of my salvation I remember laying face down with arms stretched out on my living room floor in total adoration for God and the unspeakable gratefulness I held in my heart for the God of everything. It was the first of many times I’ve been in that position before my God.

A Mormon missionary asked me not long ago what if anything I felt when I “changed religions”. I shared that experience with him and how incredibly free I am in Christ. It is through His Holy Spirit that I have freedom to prostrate myself before Him and it is through the workings of the Holy Spirit I know that I am worshipping Him in spirit and in truth.

The Holy Spirit’s presence isn’t dependent upon my behavior as I was taught in Mormonism. He took up residence inside of my very being the moment I accepted Jesus into my life. His Spirit brings to remembrance the teachings in the Bible and guides me when decisions are to be made.

One of my all time favorite verses about the Holy Spirit’s presence can be found in John 14:23; “Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.”

Hmmm…just the thought of Him never going away brings me peace in the most tumultuous of storms that come my way. The word “abode” means “to tarry” in the Greek. It means to “remain, stay or to sojourn”.

Just think of it! The friends, parents, children, siblings or even spouses that have disappointed you or left will never be able to do what the Holy Spirit will do in your life. People and their promises come and go, but not God! Jesus promised us in John 14:23 that He will always remain. Even when I mess up and say something I shouldn’t have He is still there. When I do something I know I have to repent of He is still with and in me. In John 14:16 Jesus told the disciples; “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.” Forever. It means incessantly without ever going away – He will never go away!

This is a totally foreign concept for the Mormon and how very sad it makes my heart. They work so hard to try and please, but it’s not what God requires. How we pray they will see the truth for themselves and know this awesome God that gives more than you ever could.

God wants a relationship with you. That is why He created you! He wants to be around you because He already loved you (1 John 4:19) long before you loved Him or even knew of Him. He is waiting patiently and the cool thing is that you don’t have to perform or get cleaned up before you go to Him – He’s already aware of your situation. If you’re convinced it is by works you must know Him or have this relationship, then consider the acceptance of Him into your life as the “work”. He’ll let you know later on that it isn’t by your works but His that you’re saved, but that’s for another discussion…

Below are two charts. The first is a comparison of the Holy Spirit of the Bible and the Mormon Holy Spirit. The second chart is a list of other various Mormon teachings. These charts are part of the power point presentation I give at churches when I teach Christians about Mormonism.

If you’re a Mormon know that we pray for you every single day. We hope you will come to know the God of the Bible who is the only one that will give you this peace I’ve spoken about here. We hope to hear from you soon!

With Love in Christ;

Michelle

1 Cor. 1:18

THE HOLY SPIRIT

Christian	Mormon
John 14:16-17; “…another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you.”	Articles of Faith-chapt. 8, Gospel Principles pg. 37; “He is a spirit that has the form and likeness of a man. He can be in only *one place at a time, but his influence can be everywhere at the same time. Compare the Holy Ghost to the sun.* There is just one sun, but its light and warmth are felt by everyone on earth.”
Isaiah 9:6; “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”	Mormon Doctrine pg. 359; “Because he is a Spirit Personage, he has power—In this dispensation, at least, *nothing has been revealed* as to his origin or destiny; expressions on these matters are both speculative and fruitless.”
Gal. 4:4-6; “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that *we might receive the adoption of sons*. 6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”	“The Greatest Gift”, Ensign, Nov. 2008, pg. 17; “By participating weekly and appropriately in the ordinance of the sacrament we qualify for the promise that we will ‘always have his Spirit to be with [us].” – Dallin H. Oaks
Gal. 6:8; “For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.”Heb. 10:15-17; “Whereof the *Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord*, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.”	Doctrines of Salvation 1:39; “I have *never troubled myself about the Holy Ghost* whether he will sometime have a body or not because *it is not in any way essential to my salvation*. He is a member of the Godhead, with great power and authority, with a most wonderful mission which must be performed by a spirit. This has satisfied me without delving into mysteries that would be of no particular benefit.”
1 Corinthians 6:19; “What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?”	D&C 130:23; “A man may receive the Holy Ghost, and it may descend upon him and not tarry* with him.*”
1 Cor. 3:16; “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”	D&C 18:32-33; “And, behold, you are they who are ordained of me to ordain priests and teachers; to declare my gospel, according to the power of the Holy Ghost which is in you, and according to the callings and gifts of God unto men; 33 And I, Jesus Christ, your Lord and your God, have spoken it.”

OTHER MAJOR TEACHINGS

Christian	Mormon
Trinitarian God –Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1, 14, 10:30…	No Trinity – Articles of Faith, pg. 43
Virgin Birth – Luke 2:34-35; Isaiah 7:14…	No Virgin Birth – Encyclopedia of Mormonism, pg. 724
Works after Salvation/Jesus’ atonement is enough – Eph. 2:8-9	Works for salvation/Jesus’ atonement is not enough – 2 Nephi 25:23, Way to Perfection, pg. 206
Works for the dead not necessary – Luke 16:19-31	Works for the dead/NecromancyD&C 128:15-16
Ultimate commandment is ShemaDeuteronomy 6:4-9; Mark 12:28-30	Ultimate commandment is to usher spirit children into mortality (Ezra Taft Benson-Ensign, November 1981, pg. 104)
All sins are forgiven – John 1:29; Mark 3:28	Not all sins are forgiven – D&C 42:79
Bible is inerrant word of God – Isaiah 40:8;2 Tim. 3:16	Bible not inerrant Word of God – Answers to Gospel Questions 2:161; Doctrines of Salvation 3:191
Only One Gospel – 1 Cor. 15:1-4; Gal. 1:6-9	Another gospel – front cover of the Book of Mormon
Indwelling of the HS – 1 Cor. 3:16, 6:19	No indwelling of the HS – Follow the Living Prophets, pg. 156-157
No other gods, Only One God – Is. 43:10-11	Men can become gods – Teachings of Lorenzo Snow, pg. 4
Monotheists – Deut. 6:4; Col. 2:6-9; 1 Tim. 2:5	Polytheists – D&C 121:32, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 370
All are one in the body of Christ – 1 Cor. 1:1-31	No relationship w/ other Christians – Journal of Discourses 6:167, 14:346
Monogamous – 1 Tim. 3:1-2	Polygamy mandatory for salvation – D&C 131:1-4, 132:19-21

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Brief History of Mormonism

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“Convince us of our errors of doctrine, if we have any, by reason, by logical arguments, or by the word of God, and we will be ever grateful for the information, and you will ever have the pleasing reflection that you have been instruments in the hands of God of redeeming your fellow beings from the darkness which you may see enveloping their minds.” – The Seer, pgs. 15-16, Orson Pratt, apostle

Boyd K. Packer, “The Mantle is Far, Far Greater Than the Intellect”, 1981, BYU Studies, Vol. 21, No. 3, pp. 259-271; “Church history can be so interesting and so inspiring as to be a very powerful tool indeed for building faith. If not properly written or properly taught, it may be a faith destroyer… “There is a temptation for the writer or the teacher of Church history to want to tell everything, whether it is worthy or faith promoting or not…Some things that are true are not very useful.”

Have you ever heard of Carfax? It’s a cool little concept. You can get a report on any car you’d like to buy and in that report is all the information you’d ever want or need to know about that particular car. It’ll even tell you how many times the oil was changed and when, the number of previous owners, if it was a lease or loan, etc., the list just keeps going. You’ll have no doubts or worries about the history of the car you have your sights on. If you know what you’re looking for, the writings of the Mormon Church are like Carfax in many ways.

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The god of Mormonism

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A few weeks ago an e-mail came through asking for my opinion on whom I believe the Mormons are praying to. You’ll find the original e-mail and my response below.

Dear Michelle,

I have been a Christian for many years, and along the way have had one family who were very dear Mormon friends. I do know about their false doctrines, as I have read many books on people who have come out of Mormonism, but something really puzzles me and I crave to have an answer for this question, please…WHO do Mormons pray to and when they say they receive answers, is this really true?…She talks so much about answered prayer…which is a wonder to me and it bothers me very much…can you give me an answer, Michelle?

Thank you.

Hey there ______ –

Mormons honestly believe they’re praying to Heavenly Father whom they also call elohim. As Christians we obviously know this is can’t be, based on whom they believe God to be – an exalted man and not part of the Trinity. Remember the Hebrew meaning of elohim means one of 3 things; the fullness or deity of God (Gen. 1:26) or rulers, kings (Psalm 82:6) or pagan gods (1 Samuel 28:13). So we’re left with pagan gods as the only possible option.

I know that’s the easy answer. And if you’re sharing information with another Christian who doesn’t understand the nuances of Mormonism, that is an acceptable explanation. After all, any god who is worshipped other than the One True God of the Bible is indeed a pagan god.

My personal opinion from what I have studied and known about the Mormon religion is that they are worshipping and performing ba’al worship, specifically to Molech, the god of the Ammonites who would sacrifice their children to the fire. I am referring to ba’al worship as a general term of a type of pagan worship of false gods.

I know this sounds “extreme”, but here are my reasons why I believe this to be so. Mormonism is based upon two things; sex and godhood.

The Mormons use several pagan and/or demonic names for places and people in the Book of Mormon. A study of the names used provides the reader with truth – you can read a few articles about this on our site. http://www.lifeafter.org/demonic_names.asp

The other reason I believe this to be about Molech is because of how they treat the name of Ammon in their other writings/scriptures. In the Bible, Ammon was an offspring of the incestuous relationship between Lot and one of his daughters – as was Moab. Molech was the god of the Ammonites and Moabites.

Not so for the Mormons. They have even named towns in Utah after this (Moab for example). They have a strong history of inbreeding through polygamous relationships in their early years and up until the early 20^th century. [My own family is a prime example of this] Additionally, they believe the Ammonites were a righteous people in the Book of Mormon who followed Christ in the BC era (this only goes to show their ignorance of the truth.)

Mormons believe they will someday become a god. They believe they were put here on this earth for that specific purpose and this constitutes true salvation in Mormonism.

The only way you can become a god of your own planet is to be married in a polygamous relationship – D&C 132:4 is a good example of how you are damned if you do not accept this new “revelation from God”.

The more I know and study about Mormonism, the more I am convinced they have an unhealthy sexual appetite that has placed them in this category (praying to Molech).

Do they really receive answers to their prayers? Umm, sometimes, yeah they might think they’ve received answers to their prayers. However, if they do we obviously know where the answer came from – 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 tells us that Satan can perform lying wonders and after devoting themselves continually to him, “God will send them a strong delusion to believe the lie”.

Experience tells me the majority of the Mormons lie about this; receiving answers from God. I can’t count the number of people who’ve left the Church and have confessed their sin of lying about receiving an answer to their prayers. They tell people in their Sacrament Meetings this so they won’t look like the only person who doesn’t have God doing things for them. More times than not it’s made up.

In March 1904 (one month before the final ban on polygamy), my great-great grandfather traveled to England in search of more wives to add to the three he already had in Utah. In his search he found two sisters and promptly married them both, one of which was my great-great grandmother. Leviticus 18:18 defines this as incest.

And if you think their generation was too far back in time to have any spiritual affect on someone like me born in the 1960’s, you might want to rethink that.

Their son Samuel was alive when I was growing up and I visited with him regularly until he died when I was twelve. The stories he shared from his childhood greatly affected me seventy years after the polygamous marriage took place.

Joseph Smith was a narcissistic charlatan. He based his theory of God upon all the things he wished he could be and somehow convinced hundreds of people to believe his lie.

Below is a side by side comparison of the god of Mormonism and the One True God of the Bible. As you can see they are not the same God.

If you’re a Mormon know that we pray for you each and every day! There is freedom in knowing the One True God of the Bible and the confusion that darkens your mind will dissipate with truth. We hope to hear from you soon!

With Love in Christ;

Michelle

1 Cor. 1:18

GOD

Christian	Mormonism
HOSEA 11:9; “…for I am God and not man, the Holy One in your midst…”	D&C 130:22; “The *Father has a body of flesh*, and bones as tangible as man’s…”
Isaiah 43:10-11; “You are my witnesses, declares the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, and there will be none after Me. I, even I, am the LORD; and there is no savior besides Me.”	TEACHINGS OF J. SMITH 346-7; “Here then is eternal life-to know the only wise & true God; and you have got to *learn how to be Gods yourselves*…the same as all Gods have done before you…”
John 4:24; “God is spirit…”	Mormon Doctrine, pg. 319; “He is a spirit in the *same sense that a resurrected man is a spirit*.”
Mal. 3:6; “For I am the LORD, I change not.”	Articles of Faith 390; “We believe in a *God who is Himself progressive*…whose perfection consists in eternal advancement…” – James Talmage
John 1:18; “No man hath seen God at any time…the only begotten Son…hath declared Him.”	A Marvelous Work & Wonder, pg. 7; “*God, the Eternal Father & His Son appeared to J. Smith*.” – James Talmage
Psalm 123:1; “Unto thee lift I up mine eyes, O thou that dwellest in the heavens.”	TPJS, pg. 367; “God Almighty Himself dwells in eternal fire; flesh and blood cannot go there, for all corruption is devoured by the fire.”Our God is a consuming fire.” When our flesh is quickened by the Spirit, there will be no blood in this tabernacle. Some dwell in higher glory than others.”
1 Corinthians 12:3; “Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.”	The Seer by Orson Pratt, pg. 132; “We were begotten by our Father in heaven; *the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father*; and again, He was begotten by still a more ancient Father ….”
Romans 11:33-36; “O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.”	TPJS, pg. 348; “I will transpose and simplify it in the English language. Oh, ye lawyers, ye doctors, and ye priests, who have persecuted me, I want to let you know that the Holy Ghost knows something as well as you do. *The head God called together the Gods and sat in grand council to bring forth the world.*”

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The Christian Church and Mormonism

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People tell me all the time that Mormons are some of the nicest people they’ve ever met. I would agree with that up to a point. They’re very nice up until you disagree with their theology, then all bets are off and the gloves come on.

I still cringe whenever I think back to my life before the Lord saved me. I had the warmth of a buzz saw. I was in a bad mood 24/7 and no matter what I said outwardly, my thoughts were always filled with judgmental animosity for those who didn’t agree with me at any given time.

My grandfather used to tell us kids to “quit being ugly” and he wasn’t referring to the way we were dressed or the funky hair styles we loved back in the eighties. At the time I could never understand what he meant…hmmm…nowadays I am still dealing with the buzz saw personalities, but it’s through the e-mails I receive from those who are active LDS. Here are a few examples of what we see from many e-mails we receive every day.

I would like to know where you get your information from on the LDS religion. All you have stated is a bunch of lies. You should be a shame of yourself and take down your web site. We believe God is Our Heavenly Father and Christ (Jesus) is his son and through him all can return to spend eternity with Our Heavenly Father as long as we keep his commandments and live right just.

Wow do you suck bad. Please visit my blog to deal with your suckiness:

mormonhaterhsow.blogspot.com

Hey holy rollers, is it time for you to be audited for the illegal donations you accept from other ged holders. Get a life. You are the biggest frauds out there

Thank you for your opinion on the McConkie quote. I would like to help you understand it better by saying that McConkie is simply, very simply in fact, stating that true Christians, who actually understand the Bible, do not put Jesus above His Father. Perhaps if you read the speech again, asking for the spirit to be with you as you do so, you will be able to see it. Unfortunately there are many out there so eager to discredit Mormonism that they take a small paragraph out of a large document and use just that to tear down a belief. To those who have a broader mind you come across as a biggot and very dense. If your beliefs are indeed the way to exaltation then why not promote those instead of criticizing something you have no idea what you are talking about. Have a nice day. – Molly

The Lord is reminding me of what He saved me from when I correspond with the Mormons and I pray they find the peace in Jesus I found in the spring of ’93. Not only did my demeanor change, but my entire outlook on life changed as well.

The day I got saved I recall the Lord pressing me to go back to the altar to repent for all the years I hated His people, the body of Christ. I enjoyed being in their presence whenever I met a Christian, but inwardly I felt superior because “I was a Mormon”, a “true Christian”. I didn’t trust the Bible and held a fair amount of skepticism in my heart towards anyone claiming to be a Christian; or a “Jesus freak” as I referred to them.

Inside I had always felt they couldn’t be a real Christian because their church didn’t have the name of Jesus in its title.

It’s obviously easy to see that if you’re taught this from birth the hatred and animosity runs deep.

The rest of this article comes from an excerpt of our mentoring handbook and the chart is from the classes I teach on Mormonism vs. Christianity. My prayer is that the Mormon will see the truth in what we’ve presented here and come to know the real Jesus of the Bible! Hopefully, it’ll also prove to be a valuable tool for those wanting further insight about the Mormon people.

Discarding the hatred for non-Mormons

From its inception the LDS Church and members’ attitude towards the non-Mormon has been filled with hatred. I’ve never found a word that could fully articulate the level of hatred and animosity I held towards anyone who wasn’t as good as I was being a Mormon.

I suppose the best description I could give for the reader is to think about the radical Muslims in the Middle East and their hatred towards you; the westerner. The only difference between the Muslim and the Mormon is the lack of violence the latter employs today towards the “infidel”.

It must be understood that only a century ago the LDS Church held strongly to the beliefs of “blood atonement”, which they never hesitated to engage when and where needed.

While the practice of avenging the Church was done away with dozens of years ago; animosity and resentment towards anyone working against the Church are still in their hearts as they tutor the next generation.

It’s also important to understand the air of superiority Mormons carry around with them. For the ex-Mormon to truly be set free they must claim the blood of Jesus upon themselves and ask God to forgive them for this grievous sin of hating His people. The Mormon truly believes their blood is Jewish blood; for they are the “true Jews”. Brigham Young’s statement is found in the Journal of Discourses, 2:269;

“Again, if a pure Gentile firmly believes the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and yields obedience to it, in such a case I will give you the words of the Prophet Joseph—“When the Lord pours out the Holy Ghost upon that individual he will have spasms, and you would think that he was going into fits.” Joseph said that the Gentile blood was actually cleansed out of their veins, and the blood of Jacob made to circulate in them; and the revolution and change in the system were so great that it caused the beholder to think they were going into fits.”

It’s no surprise the Biblical view of this is non-existent. God says nothing of the sort about blood being changed at the moment of conversion. However, we have a true gem of a passage when the apostle John gave us the test of who our brothers are in Christ. It is very telling and clearly shows how the Mormon is exempt from being a true Christian. 1 John 2:9-11;

“He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.”

The Book of Mormon is abundantly clear about their feelings towards the body of Christ. It is peppered with their utter disdain towards the true Christian church throughout its text and for the sake of brevity I am only listing one example. 1 Nephi 14:10;

“And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.”

Sadly, the Mormon will usually go their entire life believing this lie! Believing this lie is what kept me in the Church for thirty years. I had done many things that weren’t holy, but I certainly didn’t want to be a whore in addition to everything else.

With Love in Christ;

Michelle

1 Cor. 1:18

Christianity/the body of Christ

Christian	Mormon
1 John 2:9; “He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.”	Mormon Doctrine, pg. 132; “…CHRIST, CHRISTIANS, DISPENSATIONS. Christianity is the religion of the Christians. Hence, true and acceptaable Christianity is found among the saints who have the fulness of the gospel, and a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom. In these circles it is believed and taught that Christianity had its beginning with the mortal ministry of our Lord. Actually, of course, Adam was the first Christian…”
1 John 4:3; “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist…”	1 Nephi 14:10; “And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.”
Matthew 16:18; “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”	Journal of Discourses 6:176; “Brother Taylor has just said that *the religions of the day were hatched in hell.* The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth.” – Brigham Young
John 14:16-18; “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.”	Orson Pratt, JD 14:346; “*This class of men, calling themselves Christian, uniting with the various forms of the pagan religion*, adopting many of their ceremonies and institutions, became very popular, and finally some of the pagans embraced Christianity and were placed, as it were, upon the throne, and what they termed Christianity became very popular indeed. How long has this order of things existed, this dreadful apostacy, this class of people that pronounced themselves Zion, or Christians, without any of the characteristics of Zion? It has existed for some sixteen or seventeen centuries.” – Salt Lake City, March 10, 1872
Acts 5:41-42; “And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name. 42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.”	John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 6:167; “*There is not nation now that acknowledges that hand of God; there is not a king, potentate, nor ruler that acknowledges his jurisdiction. We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense.* Men talk about civilization; but I do not want to say much about that, for I have seen enough of it. Myself and hundreds of the Elders around me have seen its pomp, parade, and glory; and what is it? It is a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol; *it is as corrupt as hell; and the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work that the Christianity of the nineteenth century.*”
1 John 3:14-15; “We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. 15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.”	Encyclopedia of Mormonism, pg. 270; *“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not see itself as one Christian denomination among many,* but rather as God’s latter-day restoration of the fulness of Christian faith and practice…Other forms of Christianity…are viewed as incomplete, lacking the authority of the priesthood of God, the temple ordinances, the comprehensive understanding of the Plan of Salvation, and the nonparadoxical understanding of the Godhead.”
Jude 1:4; “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”	Teachings of Lorenzo Snow, pg. 16; “Mormonism has acted as a leaven upon other religious faiths. Consciously or unconsciously they have absorbed and utilized it. This is especially manifest in the growth of liberal ideas among the Protestant churches within the last half century. (2 January 1902, MS, 64:22.)”
Mark 13:13; “And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”	George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, pg. 324; “After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon.”

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The Bible and Mormonism

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In January of 1972 I sat on a platform in front of my local Mormon ward. I was receiving the prayers and “laying on of hands” for the “gift of the Holy Ghost” and becoming a member of the LDS Church. Twenty four hours earlier I had been washed in the baptismal font of the Stake building to receive a remission of my sins. I was eight years old.

The remarkable point to this whole scenario is the real gift I received from the Church that changed my life forever and what was to become the beginning of the end for me and Mormonism.

After all the perfunctory prayers were over and done with the bishopric handed me a King James Bible. While hearing the directions telling me to go home and read it, I also heard the snickers coming from those in the audience and saw the winking eye of one of the men standing around me.

I had no idea they weren’t serious so I did just what I was told. Other than my salvation, it was the best gift anyone’s ever given to me.

I had no idea my beloved church and heritage didn’t believe any of the things they were encroaching upon my young mind, nor did I realize that the Church considered the Bible to be less than the authoritative voice of God.

I sat for hours on my bed in my brown and gold wallpapered bedroom reading about the travels of Jesus. I imagined myself walking alongside Him and could almost feel the heat of the desert sand cake his holy feet. I remember wondering how those feet felt then compared to the nails being driven in them just a few short years later.

As I’ve said many times before, that Bible came alive to me during those dark days of my Mormon childhood. When I tried to approach my teachers or leaders in the ward to ask questions I was repeatedly told that someday I’d find out and not to worry about it now. My main focus was to be on learning how to become a good wife and mommy.

The Mormons have been taught the Bible wasn’t translated correctly, yet when pressed for any reputable examples, I’ve yet to find anyone who can pinpoint an exact verse or passage that’s been corrupted. In their 8^th Article of Faith it says; “We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.”

By this statement they’ve undermined the authoritative position of God’s word while exalting the Book of Mormon. They believe the Bible is only worthy of use when the leaders have quoted from it at their convenience.

I didn’t know how to use the Bible in any type of study when I was a Mormon and have since learned I wasn’t alone. I had never heard of a concordance, lexicon or bible dictionary; I didn’t even know there were such things written. No one had ever taught me to use the back of the Bible to look up subject matters in order to find what you wanted to study. I didn’t know they made Bibles in other versions outside of the KJV and had never heard of anything like the Thompson Bible chain, a bible commentary or NASB center column references for other verses.

After my exodus I felt like I had stepped out of the dark ages and I’m sure you can see why! I had traveled all over the world, lived in many places and been to university, yet didn’t know to employ these simple things right in my own hand. Many times I felt frustrated, shocked and even embarrassed by my lack of knowing the most simple of things.

The one thing I’m most grateful for as I mentioned before is that I had my Bible. From it I learned Christ was more powerful than what I knew Him to be and that nowhere in its writings did it say I had to be eternally pregnant. I was never able to find that I could become a goddess or that Joseph Smith had been promised to the latter-day people. Those things are what I knew about the Bible.

As I began my new life in Christianity, I found that the Bible is all we ever need! God has provided for His children and won’t lead them astray. If the Mormon people would spend half the time in their bibles that they do trying to work their way to salvation they’d run, not walk, away from this false religion as fast as they could.

The Bible is a collection of letters written by more than forty authors over the course of 1,500 years. They lived on three different continents and in many cases had never met each other. Their written works came from the very breath of God into their minds and onto paper. It would be nothing short of miraculous to replicate the writings or scenarios they lived in. It was written in three different languages; Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. And to date, His very thoughts have been translated into nearly 2,500 languages.

The Bible doesn’t contradict itself and in fact has been used by millions throughout millennia to lead people to Him. The God of the Bible is so much more than the non powerful god of Mormonism.

If God couldn’t make sure His word was kept pure then why would you place your trust in that type of god? The Mormon people have bought into the lie that God was silent for 1,800 years while people on earth went about corrupting his teachings. If God couldn’t keep his teachings pure then what else can’t he do? What about saving you from hell? These are just a couple of the questions I hope the Mormons would ask themselves.

Below is the chart I use in my power point presentation at the classes I teach on Mormonism. As you’ll clearly see, the LDS Church has gone out of its way to undermine His holy word and desecrate all that is good from God.

If you’re a Mormon we want you to know that we pray for you all the time and hope to hear from you! We pray you will come to know this awesome God of the Bible that loves you so much and that you’ll find freedom for your tired soul.

With Love in Christ;

Michelle

1 Cor. 1:18

Bible

Christian	Mormon
Gal. 1:6-9; “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or *an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel* unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, *let him be accursed.*”	Joseph Smith Translation, pgs. 12-13; “But the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable… But *with the Bible it was not and is not so…it once was in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization, founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore… Where the Bible* is concerned, *things get a little sticky*. Of course we believe it… but there is the reservation about parts not being translated correctly…”
Hebrews 12:1; “Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us.”	Gospel Standards, pg. 22; “*We are not dependent upon the testimony of men who lived many hundreds of years ago*. We have the testimony that is given to us from the Prophet Joseph Smith,”
Acts 17:11; “These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”	Journal of Discourses 2:82; “Have you ever read your Bibles? …*I have not read it for some time, but looked more to Him who rules on high…I have* *memorized it in English, German, and* *Hebrew, still I do not profess to be very familiar with it now, yet the sentiments and spirit of it are in my heart…” – Orson Pratt, apostle*
Matthew 5:18; “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”	2 Nephi 9:16; “And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and *it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away.*”
2 Tim. 3:16; “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.”	8^th Article of Faith; “We believe the *Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly*; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.”
Proverbs 30:5-6; “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”	2 Nephi 29:10; “Wherefore, because that *ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words*; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.”
1 Peter 1:25; “But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”	Journal of Discourses 2:75-76; “*The words contained in this Bible are merely a history of what is gone by; it was never given to guide the servant of God in the course he should pursue…The Bible is not a sufficient guide*; it is only the history of the people who lived 1800 years ago. The history of our Church in this day, presents the scenes and transactions of this people—the revelations and words of God to them…” – Orson Hyde, Salt Lake City, October 6, 1854

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