This morning I came across a Facebook page titled “I Love the Book of Mormon”. My question to Mormons is why do you love this book? What’s so special about it?
The mormon.org website describes the Book of Mormon as “another witness that Jesus Christ really lived, that He was and is God’s Son. “ As I read that statement alone a couple of questions came to mind such as:
Why is another witness needed?
He’s God of the Universe. He created everything, so why does such a holy and powerful God even need another witness?
Furthermore if you truly are a believer in Jesus Christ why do you need more proof of who He is, why don’t you trust that He is who He said He was?
Yes, these questions are more rhetorical than anything else but it would be nice hear what those of the Mormon faith have to say.
I wish Mormons could see that the Book of Mormon is nothing more than a hook their church uses to entice non-believers and to cause doubt in the hearts of lukewarm Christians as to the authority of the Bible. I believe it all goes back to the same lie Satan used in the garden to plant doubts in Eve’s mind.
He uses those same lies to make us doubt God and His Word today.
Did God really say that? Can you really trust the Bible alone by itself? How can you believe it or trust it? Don’t you know it’s been translated like a million times and has been corrupted by evil men?
Those little, subtle doubts and lies are what has led to many people embracing the Book of Mormon over God’s Holy Word.
Satan is the father of lies. He’s a master manipulator and will use everything and anything at his disposal to take us down. To those who are ignorant in regard to the supreme authority of God and His Word, the Book of Mormon may look like a good thing. But in the end like the forbidden fruit will only lead them further away from God.
In Christ,
Melissa Grimes
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The Book of Mormon is not to be accepted “over” the Bible. It states in its own pages that its purpose is to prove the truth of the words of the Bible. Mormon 7:8-9 states that the the record of Mormon was “written for the intent that ye may believe that (the record which shall come unto the Gentiles from the Jews”, or, in other words, the Bible. The Bk of Mormon never says one thing about not trusting the Bible. I have lived 40 years in this church and never been taught not to trust the Bible.It is true that there are some translation errors in the Bible. We are hardly the only ones to acknowledge that. There are translation errors in the Book of Mormon too. We know that now that we have scholarly research on the the original transcripts. So what. Men always make mistakes in their works–including transcribing and recording. But the testimony of both books is the same: that salvation comes only in and through the redeeming blood of Christ.
The Book of Mormon says it is “another witness of Jesus Christ.” So where in it does it say anything you consider false about the mission or message of Jesus Christ?
If you left the Mormon church because you “discovered” the power of the redeeming blood of Jesus Christ outside of the LDS church, I’m sorry you never understood that before you left. But plenty of people do. It is there. The “works” you guys freak out about that you claim we are doing to be saved, are the works of Ephesians 2:10. We are saved by grace, not through any works of ours, lest we should boast, but WHY were we saved??? To DO THE WORKS OF GOD, that were foreordained for us to walk in. What were you saved for? To sit around the house licking your salvation like a lollipop and refusing to DO anything so no one could accuse you of a “works” religion ?
We are saved BY grace, FOR works. Sorry no one ever explained it to you.
Lynda, you have a lot to say about the Book of Mormon and yet you’ve failed to answer my questions. Why does God need the Book of Mormon to further prove His Word is true?
It’s His Word; it stands by itself as proof that Jesus is who He said He is, proof of God’s love for man and His desire for their salvation.
Here are just a few things God has said of His Word –
Luke 11:28 – But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Psalm 119:105 – Your word is a lamp for my feet, a light on my path.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 – All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Hebrews 4:12 – For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
I consider the whole Book of Mormon to be false. It’s nothing more than a very cheap knock of the Bible.
I hate to break it you but Jesus is God, why does He need “another witness”? Jesus never went to the Americas, never visited the the Nephites, never called 12 among them to be disciples.
As a Mormon I understood that I was saved by grace “after all I could do”. The power of the blood of Jesus Christ was never spoken of in the Mormon Wards I attended. It was you do this and that first, then the grace of Jesus Christ comes in.
We’re not saved to do temple works to save the dead. As a Mormon you’re taught to attend the temple often, why? To do temple “works” to redeem the dead. It’s part of the Three-Fold Mission of your religion.
1. Perfect the Saints
2. Preach the Gospel
3. Redeem the Dead
If you’re as you said above saved by “the power of the redeeming blood of Jesus Christ”, why is it up to Mormons do works to redeem the dead?
I understand grace vs. works very well thank you. I understand salvation’s not through accepting Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon, then getting baptized in the Mormon Church, then attending the temple for my endowments, then attending again and again to redeem the dead!
It’s through Jesus and Jesus alone.
Hi Lynda and Melissa,
Interesting thread! Lynda, you quote Mormon 7:8-9 to give weight to the claim that the Book of Mormon supports the Bible. However, I have several questions and concerns about this statement. In History of the Church 4:461, the claim is made that the Book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible. That is, indeed, a bold statement to make!
This poses a few concerns for me: First, which translation of the Book of Mormom? 1830, 1881, 1964, 1981? I ask this question because the changes which have been made are not only slight “edits” due to translational inconsistencies. These are what I would call “constitutional changes”, the kind of which influence major doctrinal issues.
This raises the next concern relating to the question of original manuscript evidence. In the 1800s, there was a lot of debate about “textual criticism”; in other words, could one really trust the inerrancy of Scripture; specifically the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts of the Old and New Testaments. Critics were calling into question whether or not we could really trust that the text we had in the Bible was the same as what was originally penned by the authors.
As archaeologists discovered more and more manuscript evidence (dating back as far as the early 2nd Century), the argument in favour of textual criticism was basically blown out of the water. The more we discover (over 25,000 manuscripts of the new testament ALONE!), the clearer it becomes that we have an accurate transmission of the documents as they were written by their original authors. This became abundantly clear as it relates to the Old Testament when the Dead Sea Scrolls were found! So, the further we search the scriptures, as the Bereans were commended for doing in the Book of Acts, the more confident we are the God, by the prompting of the Holy Spirit, penned the texts and preserved them over the centuries and millennia.
Conversely, however, the further back I go into the “original documents” of the Book of Mormon, I see the opposite; I see the need for “minor” editorial changes and excuses being made left, right, and centre trying to explain away the translational errors; chalking them up to human error and fatigue on the part of Joseph Smith. Again, the changes made since 1983 are not minor errors; they are truly changes which influence major doctrinal issues.
Alma 29:4 states “…yea, I know that he allotteth unto men, yea, decreeth unto them decrees which are unalterable, according to their wills…”
This would seem to indicate that the decrees given through Joseph Smith are also “unalterable”. However, the phrase “…decreeth unto them decrees which are unalterable,” was actually removed from the 1964 edition of the Book of Mormon and then re-inserted in the 1981 edition.
As only one of the nearly 4000 changes made in the Book of Mormon since its original writing in 1830, and the growing body of evidence in support of the Old and New testament manuscripts found over the past 150 years (since Smith’s claims relating to the superiority of the Book of Mormon vs the fallibility of the Bible), I submit that it is perhaps time to follow the Bereans in their search of the Scriptures to test whether or not what the current teachers are saying actually lines up with what has been taught all along.
Acts 17:10-11 – “And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea, who arriving there, went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the Word with all readiness of mind and searched the Scriptures daily to see whether those things were so.”
I’d better get back to work, but I welcome your comments.
In His Hands,
Peter
We beleive the Bible to be the word of God, as long as it is translated correctly. If someone truly knows the Bible, they would know that it is incomplete. Many plain and precious truths have been taken out and altered. One doesn’t have to look far: Hebrews 6:1 is an obvious contradiction, telling us to “[leave] the principles of the doctrine of Christ,” and “go on unto perfection”, when the rest of the Bible reiterates time and time again that the only way to “go on unto perfection” is to heed and live the principles and doctrines of Christ.
There are many missing books that are referenced in the Bible we have today, and were once authentic scripture, that were completely taken out. among some of them are the: book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14); book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2 Sam. 1:18); book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11:41); book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29); prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9:29); visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 13:22); book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12:15); book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20:34); sayings of the seers (2 Chr. 33:19); an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9); possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3:3); an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16); and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14).
We know from the writings of paul that In the mouth of two or three awitnesses shall every word be established (2 Cor. 13:1)
The Book of Mormon is that second witness. Through the unity of these two books, God has revealed the fullness of the Gospel. It is for the same reason that there are four gospels in the New testament. By your argument, you could very well say “Why do we need the Gospels of Mark, Luke, and John? We already have the Gospel of Matthew, thats all we need. Why can’t we just trust what God has already given us?”
“Therefore repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus, and lay hold upon the gospel of Christ, which shall be set before you, not only in this record but also in the record which shall come unto the Gentiles from the Jews, which record shall come from the Gentiles unto you. For behold, this is written for the intent that ye may believe that; and if ye believe that ye will believe this also; and if ye believe this ye will know concerning your fathers, and also the marvelous works which were wrought by the power of God among them. (Mormon 7:8-9)
I cannot say it any better than the Lord himself, as he Prophesied of this very thing:
“6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?
8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two enations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also.
9 And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.
10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.” (2 Nephi 29:6-10)
Elder Whitted – I finding a little odd that you spent the better part of your post attacking the Bible, and yet you still carry it around, why?
Let’s take a look at the verse you mentioned in Hebrews 6 in context shall we? Verse 1 starts with the word “Therefore”, therefore in scripture is marking a conclusion to an argument.
In the verses before the beginning of chapter 6 he’s talking about people who should know the basics of the Gospel and by now should be ready for the “meat” but they still want the “milk”. In Hebrews 6:1 he’s telling them to move past the basics of the Gospel and go forward to the “meat” of it.
So in essence Paul’s telling them “you already have the milk, you know this stuff and have it down. Therefore let’s move on, pass all the basics and get you into the meat.” He’s obviously not saying to leave all of the principles of the Gospel behind them.
There are some “apparent contradictions” to the bible, but if one takes the time to read the verses before and after, asking the Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How questions all of those “contradictions” can be easily answered.
If you want to read the Apocrypha by all means go for it! All the books in the Bible are there because God wanted them there; there are no “missing” or “lost” books of the Bible. All the books in the Bible are the inerrant, infallible Word of God.
In your Book of Mormon quote you’re asking me to take the words of a man who never existed. Where’s the proof that he ever lived?
Isn’t it funny that the verses you mentioned are there to cause doubt about the authenticity of the bible? If you think about it, it makes sense that the first thing Satan would do to lead people way from God is get them to feel foolish about believing the Bible. – Melissa Grimes
There’s a difference between “attacking” the bible and realizing that it has been changed from its original form, and that it is incomplete. It looks like you missed it the first time so I’ll put it in again: We believe the Bible to be the word of God, as long as it is translated correctly. We also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. I will restate this as many times as you need me to.
I’m aware of the context of Hebrews 6:1. The ‘milk’ is the foundation of the ‘meat’. The correct translation should read “Not leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ”. There is a group of people in the bible that did leave behind the foundations of the gospel and went on to the ‘meat’, instead of building onto the principles they had learned. We know them as Pharisees.
You have the proof that he lived in the scripture that he recorded. What more proof is there? You could say the same about Abraham, Moses, Joseph, basically anyone in the Bible. They exist, and we know this because we have their words.
Following your line of thinking, then where did the words come from? Who wrote them? A boy with a 3rd grade education who was only 24 at the time the Book of Mormon was published? That’s much more far fetched than visitations of angels and gold plates.
I do not doubt the Bible, because I have the Book of Mormon to support it. It is the second witness to the truths that are in the Bible. By it, we can know which parts of the Bible are true and inspired, and which parts were altered and removed by careless translators and wicked priests.
You used to be Mormon, correct?
Mr. Whitted –
I don’t think Melissa needs you to repeat what you said or for you to repeat what she said – I’ll let her speak for herself on that but what her point was/is regarding the Church and the Bible is the way Mormonism attacks Christianity and the Bible. Joseph Smith said the Book of Mormon was a thousand times better than the Bible, other LDS leaders have historically put the word of God down and to clarify this we have ample resources as examples of what they’ve said here. http://lifeafterministry.com/2010/10/19/the-bible-why-joseph-smith-hated-the-word-of-god/
As per proof of BoM people –
Where’s the proof? There’s proof all over the place in documented, historical places and writings that Moses, Abraham, King David, and Jesus lived. Where is any verifiable proof anyone from the BoM existed?
We don’t say these things to bash or ridicule – I know as does Melissa that it “feels” as if you personally are being attacked and that is not our agenda. We do question the doctrines, philosophy and revelations of the Church. You as a person are not doctrines written down on a piece of paper.
God loves those He created and wants nothing more than for you and all of mankind to be in a covenant relationship with Him. The ONLY way this is possible is thru accepting His Son who died on the cross for our sins. Not in the Garden of Gethsemane and not thru grace AFTER your works as 2 Nephi 25:23 wrongly proclaims, but thru Jesus and Him only. Romans 4:12, 10:9; Ephesians 2:8-9.
I’m certain Melissa will respond as well and I don’t mean to intrude upon your correspondence with her, but I did want to clarify what the Church has done historically in casting doubt in the minds of people about the Bible.
Know that we’re praying for you!
Michelle Grim
Thanks for the laugh Michelle. I’ve talked to many people like you before, but never someone quite as perniciously subtle as you, save your friend, and this blog. Im impressed with its scope of topics, from “False prophecies of the Mormon church” (oh, but its not “to bash or ridicule”, no worries) to the New General Women’s Meeting (What? seriously?) in which you with your amazing powers of discernment determine how all 7.5 million LDS women will feel about it. Its all very clever, for that I salute you and for that you should definitely be proud. Thank you for the thin veil of charity you put over your doubt-mongering and worldly philosophies. It makes me happy to know that you are praying for me. While you are, I might suggest praying about the Book of Mormon, after of course you humble yourself to the point where you can go at it with a sincere heart and real intent. If you do, I can give you the time tested promise that you will receive an answer affirming its divinity. Millions have accepted this invitation and millions have received the same witness: that the Book is the word of God, and hand in hand with the Bible, we have the fullness of the gospel in its entirety. If you were a member beforehand, convert or not, whatever you have done, whoever or whatever you allowed offend you, the sweet comfort of the spirit which comes with forgiveness is always open to you, and you will feel the still small voice of the spirit welcome you back.
The existence of this blog is just another testimony to me of how true this gospel is. If this church were all you claimed it is: a false church lead by false leaders, no one would pay it any mind. the world would deem it as harmless, and it would sink forgotten into the annals of history. But it is true. And as long as there is true religion, the world will fight against it. You are a fulfillment of prophecy. The Jews did the same to Jesus: questioned his lineage as a descendant of David, attempted to catch him in his words, and conspired to condemn and ultimately kill him. He has overcome them, and He will overcome you.
Again, the happiness to be found in the restored gospel is open to all. I hope one day that you will put aside your weapons of hate and calumny, and enjoy the completeness and beauty of Christs gospel, and the nature-changing power of his atonement.
I wish I had the time and means to continue this discussion, I’d love to see what you and your friend come up with in response to this, but I am called to share the gospel with those who are ready to receive it.
God be with you ’till we meet again
Elder Whitted
Yes, Mr. Whitted I used to be Mormon, I used to be foolish, arrogant, Mormon women who thought she knew more than her Christian friends about God and “the gospel” all because I was a card holding member of the Mormon Church. And still through His infinite grace God saved me from that life, He humbled me and showed me it’s not about me doing all I can do for my glory, but accepting all that’s been done for me for the glory of Jesus Christ. – Melissa Grimes.
Thanks for the laugh Michelle and Melissa. I’ve talked to many people like you before, but never someone quite as perniciously subtle as you, save your friend, and this blog. Im impressed with its scope of topics, from “False prophecies of the Mormon church” (oh, but its not “to bash or ridicule”, no worries) to the New General Women’s Meeting (What? seriously?) in which you with your amazing powers of discernment determine how all 7.5 million LDS women will feel about it. Its all very clever, for that I salute you and for that you should definitely be proud. Thank you for the thin veil of charity you put over your doubt-mongering and worldly philosophies. It makes me happy to know that you are praying for me. While you are, I might suggest praying about the Book of Mormon, after of course you humble yourself to the point where you can go at it with a sincere heart and real intent. If you do, I can give you the time tested promise that you will receive an answer affirming its divinity. Millions have accepted this invitation and millions have received the same witness: that the Book is the word of God, and hand in hand with the Bible, we have the fullness of the gospel in its entirety. If you were a member beforehand, convert or not, whatever you have done, whoever or whatever you allowed offend you, the sweet comfort of the spirit which comes with forgiveness is always open to you, and you will feel the still small voice of the spirit welcome you back.
The existence of this blog is just another testimony to me of how true this gospel is. If this church were all you claimed it is: a false church lead by false leaders, no one would pay it any mind. the world would deem it as harmless, and it would sink forgotten into the annals of history. But it is true. And as long as there is true religion, the world will fight against it. You are a fulfillment of prophecy. The Jews did the same to Jesus: questioned his lineage as a descendant of David, attempted to catch him in his words, and conspired to condemn and ultimately kill him. He has overcome them, and He will overcome you.
Again, the happiness to be found in the restored gospel is open to all. I hope one day that you will put aside your weapons of hate and calumny, and enjoy the completeness and beauty of Christs gospel, and the nature-changing power of his atonement.
I wish I had the time and means to continue this discussion, I’d love to see what you and your friend come up with in response to this, but I am called to share the gospel with those who are ready to receive it.
God be with you ’till we meet again
Elder Whitted
Mr. Whitted;
I’ve always found it disheartening to see when we dialogue with Mormons it usually results in name calling on the part of the Mormons. Why is that? Why must those in the Church start throwing insults at others?
Jesus said that what goes into a man isn’t important, but what comes out is. The vocabulary we hear from many calling themselves a Mormon is telling.
I want to be sure we/I address each of your concerns so scroll down and you’ll find our response after each of your comments.
Thanks for the laugh Michelle and Melissa. I’ve talked to many people like you before, but never someone quite as perniciously subtle as you, save your friend, and this blog.
Like I said…
Im impressed with its scope of topics, from “False prophecies of the Mormon church” (oh, but its not “to bash or ridicule”, no worries) to the New General Women’s Meeting (What? seriously?) in which you with your amazing powers of discernment determine how all 7.5 million LDS women will feel about it.
Did Melissa say she was speaking for all Mormon women? She asked questions based on her experience as a Mormon who by the way was a temple worthy, active member of the Church for more than 13 years.
Its all very clever, for that I salute you and for that you should definitely be proud. Thank you for the thin veil of charity you put over your doubt-mongering and worldly philosophies.
It makes us sad that your heart is so angry. I remember being that mad. I was always ready to accuse and doubt the words of outsiders and ready to attack the questions they had for me as a Mormon. It was a difficult road to hoe. I knew I was angry but didn’t know why and I knew I wanted to defend the Church while still hiding behind my own questions of contradictory LDS teachings. It was exhausting work.
It makes me happy to know that you are praying for me. While you are, I might suggest praying about the Book of Mormon, after of course you humble yourself to the point where you can go at it with a sincere heart and real intent. If you do, I can give you the time tested promise that you will receive an answer affirming its divinity.
For some reason I doubt the sincerity in your statement.
As a former Mormon I can assure you that I’ve prayed about the BoM more times than I’d care to remember. With that being said I have to say that the Bible tells us to not trust our feelings so why is it you’re telling someone to do just the opposite?
Jeremiah 17:9; “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
Millions have accepted this invitation and millions have received the same witness: that the Book is the word of God, and hand in hand with the Bible, we have the fullness of the gospel in its entirety.
If the BoM is the word of God and goes hand in hand with the Bible why does it say we need more than just the Bible? The BoM can’t be the word of God when it doesn’t contain the teaching of polygamy for salvation as D&C 132 does; there’s nothing in the BoM about the pre-existence or that a temple marriage is needed for salvation…the list goes on and on. You can read more of the things missing in an article on our site here. http://lifeafterministry.com/2011/04/01/book-of-mormon-fullness-of-the-gospel-2/
If you were a member beforehand, convert or not, whatever you have done, whoever or whatever you allowed offend you, the sweet comfort of the spirit which comes with forgiveness is always open to you, and you will feel the still small voice of the spirit welcome you back.
What offended me is that the Jesus of the Bible couldn’t be found in the Jesus of Mormonism. I understand you’re trying hard and I appreciate what you’re saying, but I’m also asking that you compare the Jesus of the Bible with the Jesus of Mormonism.
The existence of this blog is just another testimony to me of how true this gospel is. If this church were all you claimed it is: a false church lead by false leaders, no one would pay it any mind. the world would deem it as harmless, and it would sink forgotten into the annals of history.
Paul told us that even Satan can appear as an angel of light – 2 Cor 11:4, “For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”
Why is it Moroni is referred to as an angel of light? Does this cause you any concern?
But it is true. And as long as there is true religion, the world will fight against it. You are a fulfillment of prophecy. The Jews did the same to Jesus: questioned his lineage as a descendant of David, attempted to catch him in his words, and conspired to condemn and ultimately kill him. He has overcome them, and He will overcome you.
Where have I questioned Jesus’ lineage? Joseph Smith is the one that attacked the authenticity of Jesus’ birth. Why does the Church teach that God came to earth and had sex with Mary to conceive Jesus? Jesus the Christ, pg 8 is a good place to begin.
Again, the happiness to be found in the restored gospel is open to all. I hope one day that you will put aside your weapons of hate and calumny, and enjoy the completeness and beauty of Christs gospel, and the nature-changing power of his atonement.
What part of Mormonism was taught in the early church? For something to be restored it needs to have existed previously, right? So what part of Mormonism existed in the early church and where can we find this documentation stating as much?
I wish I had the time and means to continue this discussion, I’d love to see what you and your friend come up with in response to this, but I am called to share the gospel with those who are ready to receive it.
God be with you ’till we meet again
Elder Whitted
Perhaps you’ll take the time to look at your church’s teachings – we’re going to pray this happens for you Mr. Whitted. We’re also praying the hymns you will sing are those about the blood of Christ and not just the empty words of the LDS song you mentioned at your closing here.
With Love in Christ;
Michelle Grim
1 Nephi 16:2-3
Mr. Whitted –
If Nephi had spoken “hard things” to his brothers why did he tell them that Satan had prepared a place in hell for them? 1 Nephi 15:35. Satan didn’t create hell – God did.
We’re still praying you’ll actually read and study the information we’ve provided.
Michelle Grim