Greek and Latin Words and Other Problems in the Book of Mormon Part 1
This is the first of several articles dealing with the “Problems in the Book of Mormon”. Make sure you check back often to see other issues that we see as problematic for the Mormon Church.
One of the things I have learned as a Christian is how to read the Bible and understand that it is a personal message to me. When I read the Bible I know for certain that God is speaking to me with His promises of things ordained long before the foundation of this world. I’ve learned and have personally experienced that the messages He has provided aren’t just words on a page. They are tangible promises that I can claim for myself each and every day. When Jesus told us in Matthew 16:18 the gates of hell would not prevail against His church I can trust Him for His word. The proof of being able to trust His word is to take a look around anywhere in the world; His church is still here. Another promise is found in Isaiah 40:8 when God said the “word of the Lord endureth forever”. Again, not only I, but millions of others read the Bible every single day.
My prayer for the Mormon people has always been that they would have these types of assurances for themselves. When the Mormon people open the Book of Mormon I wonder if they’ve ever stopped to think about its origins and the promises made by Smith to its authenticity. I know my mother gets a “warm fuzzy feeling” when she sits down to read her Book of Mormon, but I fear the feelings she experiences is from her heritage, not God.
When we read the Bible we can know with certainty where the majority of cities are located and where people lived. Throughout history we have been able to document and verify the cities, peoples and events that it claims to have either existed or taken place. The Smithsonian, Museum of Natural History and countless archaeologists have used it to unearth our past. This is not the case with the Book of Mormon. I wrote both aforementioned reputable places and both wrote me back giving me their official responses to the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. Neither of them uses it for their research nor have they validated any of its claims. You can read my e-mail exchanges with both on our website. There are also many books written about the authenticity of the Bible which I highly recommend (the authors are much more eloquent than myself); Josh McDowell and Lee Stroebel are just two examples that come to mind.
Because I am always looking to give Joseph Smith the benefit of the doubt when looking into his various teachings I’d first like to take a look at his promise to the Mormon people about the Book of Mormon. His words are recorded in Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 299 as follows; “There was no Greek of Latin upon the plates from which I, through the grace of God, translated the Book of Mormon.” As you will see this is a lie.
On a personal note here I must share something with all of you. When I read statements that Smith made like the one above and compare it with the truth, I am sickened to the very core of who I am. I see the pages of notes I have taken to disprove Joseph Smith and still after all these years cannot believe this is what my own people believe. So if you’re a Mormon take just a moment of your day to verify these things for yourself and if you’re a Christian, please, get on your knees for my people…
One of the first things we’re looking at is Greek words in the Book of Mormon. If Joseph Smith said something he should be able to back it up at all times, not just when “he’s not acting as a prophet”. The following Greek words are in the Book of Mormon: Apostles, Baptize, Bible, Christ, Christians, Church, Cross, Crucified, Disciples, (*see note at end of article), Epistle, Gospel, Jesus, Religion, Resurrection.
The list above doesn’t include the following New Testament phrases found in the Book of Mormon: Born again, Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit, Lamb of God, Only Begotten, Son of God.
In addition to all that, the following words are from various origins of Latin, Middle English and French: Adieu, Extinction, and Industry.
The reason I have included these words is because of the time they (the languages) came into being. Let’s break this down to take a simple look. Smith was translating these “plates” from “Reformed Egyptian”. This story was supposed to have taken place from 600 BC to 421 AD.
French was not a language until 700 AD. The French word “adieu” presents itself at the end of the book of Jacob, circa 400 BC. This would mean there is an eleven hundred year discrepancy. If these “plates” are indeed another word from God we need to ask why these contradictions appear. God is not the author of confusion as it says in 1 Corinthians 14:33.
How would someone speaking Reformed Egyptian in 400 BC have the fortitude to speak a specific word in a language that hadn’t been invented yet? Maybe it was placed there not by inspiration or translation through God Himself, but maybe it was placed there because it was a made up story Mr. Smith passed on to the Mormon people. After all, who was going to know these things 175 years ago?
The word “industry” caught my attention in Alma 10:4; it didn’t sound like a word I might find in the Bible so I did a little investigating on the origins of that word. I learned that the word “industry” obviously came from the word industrious which is in the Bible (1 Kings 11:28). However, the word industry was first found to be recorded in 1475; some eleven hundred years after the end of the Book of Mormon. It came from its Latin descendent “industria”.
Latin is first known to have existed circa 700 BC, spoken by small groups of people living along the lower Tiber River. It first spread with the Roman Empire throughout Italy, then into Europe and eventually Africa. (Source: “Latin Language. Encyclopedia Britannica. 2006.). The “Middle English Language” existed circa 1100 to 1500 AD (Source: www.wikipedia.org).
Now with the social studies lesson behind us, we need to remind ourselves the people in the Book of Mormon “originated from the land of Jerusalem” and then resided in the Americas circa 600 BC to 421 AD. The words these people used originated in places they never lived in (Italy for example), or the words were created in time frames after the people had died.
I am not a language professor, nor am I an expert in any of the languages we’ve looked at here. I’m a Christian first, and then a middle-aged wife and mom. However, God created me to bring Him glory and reside inside of me. I listen to His voice as He prompts me to investigate things that don’t make sense. This language problem in the Book of Mormon is one of those cases. I know for a fact that if I can research these simple things, anyone can.
As I’m sure you can tell from my writings I am not an expert on perfect grammar, but feel confident enough to know the following serves as another reason why the Book of Mormon is not an inspired work. Here are some examples with the location and the questionable part of the verse.
1 N 22:4; “…the more part of all the tribes have been led away…”
1 N 22:14; “…the pit which they digged…”
2 N 4:14; “…for a more history part are written upon mine other plates.”
2 N 5:33; “…search mine other plates.”
2 N 7:5; “…neither turned away back.”
Now I would humbly ask the sincere seeker of truth if these verses sound like something the God of the Bible would write to His people. I had a conversation with a young Mormon man not long ago about this subject. He told me it was much better to trust someone like Smith over the scholars of Greek and Hebrew who have taken careful consideration when translating the Bible. He said that just because they had studied for fifty years it didn’t mean they were men of God. In light of that here are some other questionable verses.
Omni 1:5; “…the more wicked part of the Nephites were destroyed.”
Omni 1:21; “…and the slain of his people…”
Alma 16:21; “…having got the victory over the devil…”
Alma 22:28; “…the more idle part of the Lamanites…”
Alma 47:2; “…or the more part of them would not…”
Alma 51:33; “…sleep had overpowered them because of their much fatigue…”
Where in any of these examples can we find comfort for our souls or a promise from the Lord? While I know these examples aren’t in any particular order of things it makes me wonder how they keep focused on God when things like this presents itself. I just can’t imagine God approving of things like this. There are actually dozens of other examples in the Book of Mormon which prove this point; if it were really true wouldn’t it at least have proper grammar? And if you’re a Mormon and ever wondered why you keep getting confused; you’ve just found the answer. When your mind is distracted by things like this it’s next to impossible to keep focused on the task at hand.
A good rule of thumb is to remember what Paul says in 2 Timothy 3:16; “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” If you consider the Book of Mormon to be scripture it should be able to stand this simple test. If there are inconsistencies and changes that distort what God has always said and even contradicts itself then we must consider the obvious…the Book of Mormon is not scripture.
Another good rule of thumb is to study. When someone goes to school to learn how to be an engineer, teacher or doctor they don’t have just one source of information from where they draw their knowledge. It is gained through an accumulation of sources and number of venues and I’m certain that every Mormon would agree with me on that!
With this in mind I am left wondering why the Mormon doesn’t apply that same philosophy to finding out the history or the beginnings of the Bible. Why is it they only go to one source for their information; that being the LDS Church? There are dozens if not hundreds of reputable sources to find out information about the Bible from scholars and universities worldwide who can provide anyone the truth.
Please understand that if you’re a Mormon we are here praying for you and only want the very best for you. We pray you will be filled with the truth from God and know His Only Son, Jesus Christ. He does have a plan for you, even out of the Church!
With Love in Christ;
Michelle
1 Cor. 1:18
*The word disciples can be found in the Old Testament in one place. Isaiah 8:16 says; “Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.” The transliteration for disciples here is: taught, instructed, learned, or used. It is # 3928 in Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance and the Hebrew word for it is “limmud”. As you can see it is used in the context of something that has already been spoken. Smith used it incorrectly as meaning a person who is a disciple of Jesus Christ. A person cannot be a teaching that has been taught, therefore his application of this Hebrew word is wrong.
If Joseph Smith wanted to use the term disciple in the Greek sense of the word then he has uttered a false prophecy.





















































































































טז. צוֹר תְּעוּדָה חֲתוֹם תּוֹרָה בְּלִמֻּדָי
:…………….. 16. Bind this warning, seal the Torah/Testimony in My disciples.
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YOU stated this…..>> I am not a language professor, nor am I an expert in any of the languages we’ve looked at here……No you are NOT ….This is taken from Jewish translation into plain English, guess what?…It has disciple in it….
Have you ever thought, ever thought that the Jewish rendition is almost impossible to tie down into another language as easily as you would / have portrayed it to be, into Greek? ….THEY have so many meaning to just a character or word, it is almost impossible to have it mean one thing!
Joseph translated it into the best fitting [English] rendition concerning a word, verb, noun, he could at the time….not hard to comprehend, remembering all along, it is meant to be plain and simple to the reader to understand God and his dealings to the children of men.
Ps……There were NO Greeks/bible…in those times, none whatsoever, they [Greeks] came about 200 BC, not 2000 bc….
….ANOTHER small fact you may have forgotten, why are you using an English bible, why not a Greek version?
….Why arent you an Greek Orthodox christian…instead of the christian brand you are now?
Nephiman –
Why are you so angry? Every time you post you sound angry so we’re wondering why.
Where are the original plates or papyri that we can look at to see if Joseph Smith actually translated these things correctly?
Whose word are you taking as truth? God, Joseph, the LDS Church?
While the Hebrew language does have many double meanings for their words like English does, it doesn’t mean it’s impossible to figure it out. There’s enough evidence from the texts that we have today to compare what the Bible says and means with our language to know whether things are correctly translated or not.
Why would I need a Greek bible? I use concordances, dictionaries and historical atlas’ to verify and compare what’s written in the Bible to give me a deeper understanding of the words they used so why would I need a Greek Bible?
Why should I be Greek Orthodox? What does that matter to you or to the truth about the Bible and the proven false teachings of Joseph Smith?
Know that we’re praying for you!
Michelle
I am not angry far from it, but if it sounds like maybe it because of the lies I am confronted with?
>> You know about the where abouts of the plates from the Angel Moroni…dont play dumb.
>>(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 1:38)
What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same….Amos 3/7 fits perfectly here.
>>Yes we agree on something here,While the Hebrew language does have many double meanings for their words like English does…and because of this the clarity is some times missed and blinded by “other” interruptions of men…..Amos 3/7 fits perfectly here also
>>Why would you need a Greek bible?..Simply for it originality, that’s if you believe its without any error?….Considering also they were the 1st… to translate it into another language and practice it….If YOU use anything else, you dont consider the Greek reliable, do you? and then your interruption is not concise or true, according to Christianity [ Roman Catholicism ] in following the bible….For THEY are the sole repository of the infallibility of the canon…AGAIN if not a RC, then you are considered an apostate break-away sect or cult from the Mother church, this is what christianity is, a breakaway from her!
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(Book of Mormon | 1 Nephi 13:26)
And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away.
NOW which is this, the Greeks or Roman Catholism, simple fact is christanity came out of them and the greeks were the 1st to have it into their own language…But were taken over by Rome
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YOU keep ranting about the ” false teachings of Joseph Smith”…..what are the precise accusations of his false prophecies [ in context ], and THE lets compare to what scriptures says in defense of him, shall we?
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keep ur prayers close to you, you neeeeeed them more, than I do!…….I have not strayed.
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I wish he [Joseph Smith] was asked to clarify the statement when he was alive, cuz it could be that he was referring to the text which he was translating, as if to say none of the text on the plates had any relation to Greek or Latin lingua, and not that his English translation didn’t contain Greek or Latin