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Mormon ScripturesThis morning I came across a Facebook page titled “I Love the Book of Mormon”. My question to Mormons is why do you love this book? What’s so special about it?

The mormon.org website describes the Book of Mormon as “another witness that Jesus Christ really lived, that He was and is God’s Son. “ As I read that statement alone a couple of questions came to mind such as:

Why is another witness needed?


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Lately there seems to be a lot of acceptance of same sex marriage going around. First President Obama  expressed his feelings on the issue, and most recently one of my favorite female Country singers has come out so to speak in favor of it too.

The President’s support of same sex marriage wasn’t really a huge surprise to me, nor was it the earth shattering news the media would have you believe it to be. The Country singer however was, it was because this singer has always claimed to be a Christian and has spoken of her faith many times which lead many of her fans to believe she shared their world view.


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Today (3/26/12) I traveled over to the LDS website and found a very sad state of affairs.  http://www.lds.org/?lang=eng  The front page of their site says;

“The Savior Suffers in Gethsemane”

You’re going to see a video of a white Mormon Jesus with a British accent going to the Garden, kneeling down and praying the words from the Bible.  At some point he starts sniffling while they show the disciples sleeping and Jesus walking over to ask them why they can’t stay awake.  I find it interesting the Church thinks the Bible has been mistranslated yet they use the very words from it…hmmm….


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A few weeks ago I received an e-mail through the Life After Ministries website.  This gentleman informed me that quoting from the LDS authorized book Mortal Messiah, written by Bruce McConkie, was proof I didn’t know the difference between Mormon doctrine and the gospel.  I would respond to him privately but he’s blocked my IP address on his computer.

Okay then.


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By the time I left Utah and stopped getting baptized for dead people I was sure I could have webbed feet.  I don’t recall how many times I went to the temple (more than five times, less than twenty) I do know it seemed like a lot!  For me, Saturday mornings as a young teen meant a drive with the bishop to downtown Ogden to do works for the dead.

Not long after I was saved the Lord made it apparent to me that I needed to be baptized…again, yet it was for the first time!  I remember waking my poor husband up in the middle of the night after the Lord had impressed it upon my soul that He wanted me to do this.  Kirk said; “that’s nice dear” and quickly went back to sleep as I sat up the rest of the night talking to my Lord.  It was one of the sweetest times I’ve ever had with God.

It is in obedience that we are baptized and not because we “have to”, but because we desire to please our Lord and God.  It is an honor to follow Him and make that public proclamation of our devotion to Jesus.  Even today I still can’t believe He got me of all people, out of Utah!

Jesus is always our example whenever there is any doubt or confusion about what we should do in matters such as these.  We want to emphasize that baptism is not necessary for salvation and we can use the thief on the cross as one of the proofs, as well as Eph. 2:8-9.  However, when we make Jesus our Lord and not merely our Savior, then we will heed the promptings of the Holy Spirit.  He will never contradict what the word says, so we can use this as our measure of truth.

At the beginning of Jesus’ ministry Matthew gives us the account of when Jesus went to the Jordan to be an example of righteousness fulfilled.  Matthew 3:13-7 says;

Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.  But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?  And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.  And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Getting baptized unto the Lord also serves as another way of denouncing the evil one!  Just as when we consider renewing our wedding vows and our public confession of believing Jesus, being baptized helps the ex-Mormon to spiritually make that break.  The Mormon Church maintains that “true believers” have to be baptized and then have the “laying on of hands to receive the Holy Ghost”.  Make it clear to the ex-Mormon this is not the case by showing them the thief on the cross and also how being baptized for dead people is not scriptural.

Explain in full what 1 Cor. 15:29 really means and also take another look at how Luke 16:19-31 tells us that there is no chance of being able to do things like this either from the grave or for those already in the grave.  The Encyclopedia of Mormonism, pg. 92 says;

The fourth article of faith of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints declares that “baptism by immersion for the remission of sins” is one of the “first principles and ordinances of the Gospel.”…It is a primary step in the process, which includes faith, repentance, baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost, and enduring to the end, whereby members may receive remission of their sins and gain access to the Celestial Kingdom and eternal life… Baptism must be performed by one who has proper priesthood authority.”

To this I say; work, work, work, work, work… 

© 2010 Life After Ministries, Inc.

Link for Chapter 17:

17. Bearing Your Testimony


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      The one thing I always believed as a Mormon was that I belonged to the “only true church on the face of the earth”.  By birthright alone I was “special” and had advantages that no one else did.  By birthright alone I would be in heaven and by birthright alone I was a superior being.  All other churches were the whores of Babylon and only thought they knew God.

The Presbyterians, Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists, Nazarenes and yes, even the Pentecostals were all going to the Telestial kingdom (lowest kingdom) because they weren’t members of the LDS Church.  They were going to be serving those of us in the highest kingdom of heaven (Celestial Kingdom) because they either didn’t understand or chose not to be a part of the one true Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  To understand why there is such a huge stumbling block in the mind of the Mormons on this topic, we need to take a look at what causes it to begin with.

Joseph Smith maintained the body of Christ could no longer be found on earth.  He claims he went to the grove of a forest near his home in Palmyra, NY to ask God which church he should join and God told him to join none of them, that every single church on the face of the earth was wrong. (Joseph Smith’s Testimony chapter 1.)  He was then told he must wait to receive the golden or brass plates which held the story of a forgotten people from Jerusalem that came here to the Americas to escape persecution.

It was also at this time Smith claims to have been told by God to translate some old papyrus that a traveling salesman sold to him.  This papyrus supposedly held the story of the creation and the pre-existence that we read in the book of Abraham.  In reality, the papyrus is what Egyptologists call a “funerary breathing”. (How to perform ceremonies at mummification.)  As time went by the Church continued to evolve, but already the heresies had been born.

While the vast majority of the public believed Smith was a false prophet, there were on the other hand, those who believed his story.  The little group of believers grew as they continued to believe that God Himself had actually visited Smith and revealed to him the new commandments and the way to salvation.  After all, assurance of salvation is much easier to achieve and believe if you took care of things yourself; and Joseph had them convinced this was the “only true way to salvation”.  This was the mindset needed for the LDS Church to flourish and indeed it did!

The other mindset needed for a vulnerable flock, is for the belief that you are being persecuted all for the sake of the Lord.  From the beginning the Church has insisted this has been their lot in life, thus the need to continually flee to the next town while at the same time the warrants for Joseph Smith’s arrest began to stack up.  For a chronological detailed account of Joseph Smith’s life, be sure to visit the website of www.josephsmith.net to find an abundance of informative stories, historical documents and pictures to keep anyone occupied for a long time!  Keep in mind this website is a “pro-Mormon” site and you will not find all of his arrest records or complaints filed against him at this site.  (1)

The LDS have always held a very strong position in asserting their civil rights and pointing out their patriotism for America.  They are defensive when someone brings up religion in conversation and they will inevitably bring their rights as Americans into the equation every time.

Granted, it’s not against the law to invoke your First Amendment Rights to worship as you please.  However, it is unlawful to practice polygamy, to create and distribute your own monetary system; invoke Martial Law based on your own whims; and to arbitrarily burn down buildings when newspapers publish the details of charges that are being brought against you.

These charges, amongst others, were just the tip of the iceberg for the communities the LDS Church had invaded and subsequently fled from in its early years.  As of today the LDS Church now claims, as it always has, that it is the “only true church on the face of the earth”, (D&C 1:30).  They believe the power of the priesthood was not handed down as it should have been, thus the apostasy.  The Church members will become immediately defensive when asked about the history of the LDS Church, so expect some resistance to your message even after they get out of the Church.

When a Mormon gets out of the Church they are not accustomed to the vocabulary that Christians employ.  An example of this is the phrase “The church of Jesus Christ” – meaning the body of Christ – the Christians.  I would use this phrase with the new Christian as much as possible to get them used to the idea that this phrase has been in use since the inception of the true Christian church circa 33 AD.  The Christians belong to The Church of Jesus Christ.  It is His church; it belongs to Him, not the Christians.

     Compare that to the Mormon’s church which is called The Church of Jesus Christ, of Latter-day Saints.

      They believe the body of Christ originated with Adam as Joseph Smith taught (DS 3:82).  People were baptized for the remission of sins, received the gift of the Holy Ghost and men held the priesthood.  Now with the short story of the LDS Church out of the way, let’s take a look at what God tells us about His church – from the Bible!

We see in the book of Acts how God built up His church to lay the foundation for the rest of time.  I have been of the opinion lately that if the LDS Church really wanted to say there are no inconsistencies in their doctrine they should have changed the text in the book of Acts in the JST.

The entire book of Acts of the Apostles is just that; an account of how it all began.  If the so-called church at the time of Christ died with the last apostle, then why keep their stories in scripture?  What purpose does that serve the Mormon community?

For the first time in history the Holy Spirit poured Himself upon a group of people – it’s called Pentecost.  Acts chapter two tells us that men from every single country were represented in that room on that day.  They had all come to Jerusalem to celebrate the feast of the first-fruits and many ended up being a witness to the ultimate Passover Sacrifice – Christ Jesus.  They waited as Jesus instructed them to do (Acts 1:8) to receive the Promise that He had spoken to them about earlier.

Be sure to share with them some interesting facts about this event and the entire book of Acts!  For example:  at the time Luke wrote this no one objected to his writings or the authenticity of events that took place.  The witnesses of these events were still alive and they most certainly would have said something if he had any of it wrong.  Luke was a well respected doctor in that region and was known to be meticulous about the minutest of details.

Matthew Henry said this in his introduction commentary on the book of Acts;

 “Now this book gives us an account of the framing and rearing of that tabernacle. The four gospels showed us how the foundation of that house was laid; this shows us how the superstructure began to be raised…”

    Luke was with the apostle Paul on many of the missionary journeys, and therefore knew about the dreadful prisons mentioned in Acts, as well as the “prison letters” Paul wrote known as the book of Colossians, Philippians, Ephesians and Philemon.  From what the majority of respectable theologians have surmised, it is probable that Dr. Luke was also one of the original “seventy” the apostles ordained to look over the church.  The “authority” to preach the gospel, establish churches in the world and baptize believers did not die when the last apostle died.

On the contrary, the church of Jesus Christ thrived as promised by Jesus Himself.  Believers withstood persecution because of the stand they took for Jesus everywhere they lived.  Rome was notorious for the atrocities that took place in the first 300 years of Christianity.  The Romans would wrap the skins of dead animals around the Christians in the Coliseum and open the gates to let out the lions.  They were burned at the stake while those in charge would wait for them to denounce the Lord.  Nero used the Christians as human torches to light his world famous gardens in 64 AD.  By 100 AD 25,000 people became martyrs for Jesus.

As for today?  There were more Christians killed in the 20th Century for the Lord than there were in the past 19 centuries combined!  The LDS Church will reply by stating these facts do not prove anything and they do not believe the doctrines of the “Christian church” are correct, thus the need for a complete restoration.  Keep in mind this “Restoration” isn’t anything similar to what Martin Luther did some 500 years ago with the Reformation!  Many Mormon missionaries explain to the unsuspecting public that the “Restoration” and the Reformation were very similar.

Joseph Smith took every doctrine, every principle of Judeo-Christian theology and turned it upside down and sideways.  There is not one single doctrine that he left untouched in regards to the precepts of what you or I know as Christianity.  In fact the more I know about Joseph Smith the more he reminds me of Simon the great magician spoken of in Acts 8:9-24; believing that he could buy the power of the true Holy Spirit to baptize people who were seeking the God of the Bible.

Simon was also known as the “father of Gnosticism”; those who believed you are saved by what you know.  Simon didn’t care about the believers or the things they did while worshipping God.  His goal was strictly focused on one thing only – he wanted the believers to think he was a divine person.  Take notice also that he didn’t go to the unbelievers.  His mission was to go to the Christians; just like Joseph Smith.  The LDS’s biggest “pool of converts” comes from the Baptist church in the United States.

The LDS Church will tell everyone the fact that people apostatized proves the original church of Christ left the earth.  To this, our reply is hogwash!  Jesus warned there would be false christs; John spoke of the people who would sneak in a side-door in his first epistle.  The apostle Paul spoke of the elect being tricked into believing a lie in his letter to the Thessalonians.  There will always be someone who will present a false product to the masses but it doesn’t mean the entire church is gone!

Jesus’ church has withstood 2,000 years of persecution and she is still alive and well.  She is awaiting the return of her Beloved Bridegroom and will continue to wait.  The LDS Church can say what they want, but to the rest of the world and most importantly, God, the church is still in operation.

There are many churches and denominations out in the world today.  Life After hasn’t been called to examine each church’s by-laws and constitution.  What we have been called to do however is to encourage the body of Christ to stand up to the grossly inaccurate doctrine of the LDS Church that says they believe in the God of the Bible.  Come alongside us in unison with thousands of others to stand for the truth!

Life After Ministries also wants to make sure it’s understood that we don’t do this out of any animosity or revenge to bash the Mormon people.  We’ve been in the shoes of the Mormon people and our hearts are broken for the souls who truly believe they are worshipping the right Jesus.

Things to think about:

 If you (the LDS Church) are so positive that your message of the gospel is absolute truth then why bother with the “whore of Babylon” when we have websites or ministries that tell the other side of the story?

If lies about the Bible and Jesus are exposed and set straight then why are you offended?

Why has the LDS Church spent millions of dollars and 170 – plus years in proselytizing the “Christian” nation of America instead of focusing on the areas of the 10/40 or the 10/70 window of the world?

Why are families torn apart and shunned when they decide to leave the Church?  What happened to the “Families are Forever” plan? 

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1.  LAM had an ongoing e-mail debate with one of the designers of www.josephsmith.net when it first came into existence in 2005.  For months we went back and forth…we are still praying for “J” that he would come to know the real Jesus.

Link for Chapter 7:

Chapter 7. The Truth about the Bible

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     Picture yourself sitting in the upper room with Jesus and the other apostles at the end of the Last Supper.  Can you just imagine what it would have felt like and what your response would have been if Jesus had told you (happily I might add), that He was going to die so that you would be filled with The Comforter?  In the gospel of John we find just that!  Judas was about to betray the long awaited Messiah and here was Jesus; just as calm as if He were talking about the daily events in the life of a butterfly.

In less than two months from that very night they were going to be filled with the third person of the Trinity.  God would take up residence inside each and every believer from that day forward and never leave nor desert them just as Jesus promised the apostles with His comforting words on that dark night in the upper room.

 John 14:23 says; “Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.”

      The long awaited day of Pentecost* had finally arrived as the apostles gathered again for prayer. The meticulous Dr. Luke narrates for us the scenario of how the Holy Spirit rushed in from heaven, filled the whole house with His presence and then filled each of the believers; Acts 2:1-4.  Remember the times in the Gospels when Jesus said you cannot tell which way the wind bloweth?  Now through His power and the wind they felt on their cheeks, they began speaking in tongues and witnessing to the people there that represented all of the surrounding areas!

Actually, there in the city of Jerusalem, people had gathered from all around to celebrate the feast of the first-fruits.  Fifty days from the time of Passover had gone by and now was the time of harvest!  What a glorious event it must have been to witness the arrival of the Promise that Jesus had foretold.  At first the people who gathered around to watch this event thought the brand new spirit filled Christians were drunk, but Peter assured them it was only nine o’clock in the morning and no one had been drinking.

(Just imagine the hushed conversations in groups of 4-5 and compare that thought with the freedom.  The freedom those apostles and disciples now were living in – my, what an experience…probably much like it was for you when you got saved.)

God was now showing them fifty days after the resurrection of His Son Jesus; the Promise was theirs to keep.  Now God would go with them everywhere they went.  They wouldn’t have to wait outside the gates of the temple or travel several days to attend the three required yearly feasts and sacrifices at the temple where God resided.  He now came to His people instead of them going to Him.  Many of the experiences, feelings and thoughts the early Christians lived through are the same things we live through; but not with this particular incident on the first Christian Pentecost.

God purposefully used this exact time to fill His believers to get the biggest audience and get “more bang for the buck”, if you will.  All the Israelites had to come back to Jerusalem for the Feast of the first-fruits.  He wanted His children who didn’t yet believe to hear Him and when they went back to their villages and towns they would take the stories of their experience with them.

Sure, God was obviously going to send out apostles and missionaries, but the little nooks and crannies of the towns were taken care of by witnessing God in action in Jerusalem on that first Christian Pentecost.  God is never one to overlook any situation; He is the ultimate Giver of Life, our Prince of Peace.  What a merciful God we have; so eager to forgive, providing through His love for a way to come to Him just in case you change your mind…

There were so many signs that this “wind” was the infilling of the Presence of God the only way to “miss” it was to willfully turn away from Him.  Paul reiterates the residence of the Holy Spirit in his first epistle to the believers in Corinth.  In chapter 3:16 he says;

 “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”

      And again in 6:19 he reminds them that they are the temple of God who resides inside of them.  For more examples of being filled with the Holy Spirit let’s take a quick glance at the beginning of the Church of Jesus Christ.

Acts 2:41 says 3,000 became Christians in one day. Acts 2:47 says there were people being saved every single day.  In Acts chapter three we find Peter and John going up to the temple to preach the gospel and came upon a lame man sitting at the doors of the temple.  Through this man’s healing that came from the Holy Spirit through the mouths of Peter and John, 5,000 more people were added to the body of Christ!  See Acts 4:4.  By the time we get to Acts 5:14 we see that Peter and John had brought a multitude of believers to their new spirit filled lives.

Fast forward some 2,000 years and here we are in today’s world, today’s sinful behavior filled with violence and temptations of every kind; how’s a person to survive the onslaught of evil from the television, radio, magazines, billboards and just people around them?  The answer is obviously clear for those who pronounce His name as their God, but for those who’ve been lied to on purpose it’s another story.  How does one “get the Holy Spirit”?

Questions will obviously begin swirling around in the heads of those you mentor so be prepared.  This is always such a blessing and fascinating time for them and for you.  Always know that we’re here praying for you and those you are mentoring.  Interesting word study if you have the time!  Take a look at the word “comforter”.

There’s a short list of questions to answer at the end of this section; however we won’t be delving into the subdivisions of the many denominations throughout the world.  The purpose of focusing on this subject is to show the new Christian how the disciples did nothing to deserve or expect the Holy Spirit to take up residence inside of them.   We so desperately want you to know how the everyday Christian life is spent on a day-to-day basis of leaning into Him and no one else.

Now that we’ve gone to the Bible and learned some new things, let’s compare them with the lies that are packed tightly inside of the heart of the ex-Mormon.  Exposing the lies for what they are and calling them out to the light will take the control away from the spiritual stranglehold they have around the throats of these dear people; maybe it’s even you who needs true freedom!

God said that “what is bound on earth is bound in heaven” (claim Matt. 16:19 while praying for their minds to be clear of lies).  The Bible also tells us that scripture is more powerful than a two edged sword.  As a believer you have the ability to claim spiritual authority over any darkness that still lingers around.  So with this in mind let’s take a look at the lies; expose them for what they’re are and carefully help the ex-Mormon see the differences between what the LDS Church and the Bible really says.

      For further information on denouncing and the oppression that comes along with being a Mormon, see “Denouncing Mormonism” and “The dark clouds overhead are Mormonism” later in this outline.

The LDS Church has always taught its members that “When the leaders (of the Church) speak, the thinking has been done”.  So if the leaders of the Church say the things that are listed below, it’d be difficult at best to figure out whom the Holy Ghost is, what purpose he serves or where he even come from.

In DoS 1:39 Joseph Fielding Smith, grandson of Hyrum Smith and son of Joseph F. Smith was the “leading gospel scholar and the greatest doctrinal teacher of this generation”. The point to my bringing attention to this man is that he was and still is considered to be as “authoritative” as Hinckley is today.  They use his writings in public correspondence and continued on to say the following in the preface of volume one in DoS:

 “Few men in this dispensation have approached him in gospel knowledge or surpassed him in spiritual insight, His is the faith and the knowledge of his father, President Joseph F. Smith, and his grandfather, the Patriarch Hyrum Smith.” –

      In other words, they still believe it even if they lie and say they don’t. The leaders of the Church, both dead and alive hold a tremendous amount of spiritual power over the members of the Church.

When an active, inactive, or ex-Mormon says that the Church doesn’t use these references anymore; ask them why the Church still sells them (the books) at their bookstores and why they are continuing to this day to embrace the “old prophets” theology.  They are indeed used in speeches or classes they teach when it’s convenient for the leaders.  Until they completely denounce all the teachings of the LDS faith, we will continue to speak the truth.  The prophet Joseph Fielding Smith told the members of the Church that he didn’t speculate on the purpose of the Holy Spirit.

 Doctrines of Salvation 1:39 says; “I have never troubled myself about the Holy Ghost whether he will sometime have a body or not because it is not in any way essential to my salvation. He is a member of the Godhead, with great power and authority, with a most wonderful mission which must be performed by a spirit. This has satisfied me without delving into mysteries that would be of no particular benefit.”

       Then from James Talmage in his work entitled Articles of Faith, pg. 145, it says the Holy Ghost isn’t omnipresent;

 “Much of the confusion existing in human conceptions concerning the nature of the Holy Ghost arises from the common failure to segregate His person and powers…the actual person of the Holy Ghost cannot be in more than one place at a time.

      Joseph Smith went so far as to say the Holy Ghost’s power is nothing but pure intelligence.  History of the Church 3:380;

 “There are two Comforters spoken of. One is the Holy Ghost, the same as given on the day of Pentecost, and that all Saints receive after faith, repentance, and baptism. This first Comforter or Holy Ghost has no other effect than pure intelligencewhile the effect of the Holy Ghost upon a Gentile, is to purge out the old blood, and make him actually of the seed of Abraham.

      History of the Church 3:379;

 “THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST by the laying on of hands, cannot be received through the medium of any other principle than the principle of righteousness, for if the proposals are not complied with, it is of no use, but withdraws.”

      Encyclopedia of Joseph Smith’s Teachings;

 “But the Holy Ghost is yet a spiritual body and waiting to take to himself a body, as the Savior did or as God did or the gods before them took bodies; for the Savior says the work that my Father did do I also. . . . He took himself a body and then laid down his life that he might take it up again. (Joseph Smith, The Words of Joseph Smith, p. 382; standardized).

      Note:  The page number for the above passage is sketchy as it didn’t list each page number. From the entries before and after it’s somewhere between pg. 321-323.

I believe we’ve made our case and proven the Holy Spirit is not any of the things the LDS Church says He is!  I can’t imagine living even one day without His Holy Spirit inside of me.  I can look back to the time before I was saved in ‘93 and remember what a mess my life was then.  The most striking difference is the loneliness I felt all the time from running circles in my head looking for the answers and always coming back more empty than before.

*Give definition of Pentecost.  Share any insights you have gleaned in your years as a Christian.

 Questions for Chapter Five

1.  What are the transliterations in Hebrew and Greek for Pentecost?





2.  What is the purpose of Pentecost now that it’s “over with”?



3.  How can the Holy Spirit living inside of each believer be a comfort to the ex-Mormon?  Be as specific as you can.





4.  What were some of the signs given to the disciples and others at the time of Pentecost?





5.  Who, where, what is the Church of Jesus Christ today?  _____




6.  What was the purpose of Pentecost in the Old Testament?  Read the following and write your answers below.  Exodus 23:14-17; Lev. 23:1-16.





7.  Did the Holy Spirit ever dwell inside a man before Pentecost or the time of Jesus?  Use scripture for proof of your answer.  ___________________




8.  How is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in each believer different from the LDS version of the Holy Ghost?  1 Cor. 3:16 & 6:19 says what to us as believers?





9.  Give example of what a Christian might say to their very active LDS family members

or friends about the Holy Spirit dwelling inside of you as a Christian and don’t forget scripture!





Link for Chapter 6:

Chapter 6. Will the One True Church Please Stand Up?


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