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‘Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.’ Jeremiah 14:14

The other day a television show my husband Kirk and I were watching reminded me yet again why Joseph Smith’s golden plates were anything but authentic.

The show had a group of guys out site seeing in the rugged canyons of Colorado, and at one point they stopped to check out a large outcropping of rocks well known for the Petroglyphs on one side of them.

After looking at the rudimentary display on the rocks of men, animals, and their hunting trips, one of the guys on the program jokingly offered his interpretation and said, ‘Yes, and I’ll have fries with that please’. It was nothing more than an offhanded comment, but it got me to thinking…

Similar Petroglyphs are found from one end of the American Continent to the other. If experts date these back roughly 1,500 years, one has to wonder why they didn’t have a better writing system like the Nephites enjoyed.

After all, the BoM people and the inhabitants we’re speaking of lived around the same era, so it stands to reason language skills should have been about the same, if not more advanced. Certainly, the petroglyphs we see on the side of rocks can’t be from the Nephites who spoke 17th century Jacobean English!

The dark truth about the Nephites can be found in Smith’s own words if one is up to a little homework. Not long after I left the Church I discovered the originator of these things was none other than Satan himself.

An example for this is listed in our series, Interesting facts of 3-in-1 Part 1. You’ll find that Smith’s identity of the angel Moroni has been cloaked in euphemisms and scattered throughout Mormon canon.

2nd Nephi tells us that Satan is an angel of light.

Smith’s testimony tells us Moroni visited him 3 times in one night before a cock crowed (think Matthew 26:33-3574-75 when Peter denied Jesus 3 times.

Intro of 1976 D&C and earlier versions, Smith tells us Moroni is an angel of light.

Now the reason for bringing Moroni into the conversation is important because Moroni’s the middle man. Without Moroni’s visits, there’s no story about the Nephite people.

Another clue the Nephites and their golden plates story can’t be trusted is from what we can’t see. There are no sites to dig, original writings to decipher, nothing. Conversely, we see hundreds, if not thousands of archaeological proofs existing throughout all of the Americas telling us stories about the people who lived here previously, what they ate, whom they worshiped, and their now extinct traditions. A great resource for this can be found at Jim O’Donnell’s blog; Top Ten Must See Archaeological Site in Colorado.

 One of the most fascinating things to explore is known as the Cliff Palace at Mesa Verde National Park. (See image on left) They believe the palace was used by the Puebloan people between 600 – 1300 AD. I can’t  help but think of Smith’s story in 2nd Nephi telling us they built a temple on the scale of Solomon’s Temple, yet not one shred of evidence, nor even a shard of pottery has been found. Yet this palace is filled with historical data we can see, touch, and smell. Where o where, are the Nephites’ remnants?

Please pray for LDS members to think about things like this and for Jesus to intervene!

With Love in Christ —

Michelle 

1 Cor. 1:18

Originally posted 2016

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 June 24 – One High Priest. Leviticus 21:10 “And he that is the high priest among his brethren, upon whose head the anointing oil was poured, and that is consecrated to put on the garments, shall not uncover his head, nor rend his clothes.”

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March 19 – Book of Mormon Geography Problems.  Numbers 14:25 “(Now the Amalekites and the Canaanites dwelt in the valley).  To morrow turn you, and get you into the wilderness by the way of the Red Sea”.

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Galatians 5:22-23 “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.”

 Today we’re looking at claims the Book of Mormon makes about itself, and if you know anything about Mormonism, you probably have an opinion about it as well. Outside opinions can be helpful, but what does the book itself say about its own content?

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Witnessing Tip of the Day June 01June 24 – High Priest. Leviticus 21:10; “And he that is the high priest among his brethren, upon whose head the anointing oil was poured, and that is consecrated to put on the garments, shall not uncover his head, nor rend his clothes.”

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March 19 – Geography Lessons Needed for Book of Mormon. Numbers 14:25 “(Now the Amalekites and the Canaanites dwelt in the valley).  To morrow turn you, and get you into the wilderness by the way of the Red Sea”.

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Witnessing Tip of the Day June 01June 24 – High Priest. Leviticus 21:10; “And he that is the high priest among his brethren, upon whose head the anointing oil was poured, and that is consecrated to put on the garments, shall not uncover his head, nor rend his clothes.”

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March 19 – Geography lessons needed for the Book of Mormon. Numbers 14:25; “(Now the Amalekites and the Canaanites dwelt in the valley).  To morrow turn you, and get you into the wilderness by the way of the Red Sea”.

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sheep33 Nephi 15:21-22; “And verily I say unto you, that ye are they of whom I said: Other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. 22 And they understood me not, for they supposed it had been the Gentiles; for they understood not that the Gentiles should be converted through their preaching.”

 

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Petro_4The other day a television show my husband Kirk, and I were watching reminded me yet again why Joseph Smith’s golden plates were anything but authentic. The show had a group of guys out site seeing in the rugged canyons of Colorado, and at one point they stopped to check out a large outcropping of rocks well known for the Petroglyphs on one side of them.

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BoM Another TestamentActs 2:35-36; “For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.”

Hebrews 1:3; “Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high”.

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Galatians 5:22-23; “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.”

joseph smith 3Today we’re looking at claims the Book of Mormon makes about itself, and if you know anything about Mormonism, you probably have an opinion about it as well! Outside opinions can be helpful, but what does the book itself say about its own content?

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bom.jpgToday we’re looking at a rather complicated, not to mention messy, timing problem in the ‘most correct book on the face of the earth, otherwise known as the Book of Mormon…According to LDS.org, the Nephite nation was killed off by the Lamanites circa 385 AD.
 

Mormon Chapter 6; “The Nephites gather to the land of Cumorah for the final battles—Mormon hides the sacred records in the hill Cumorah—The Lamanites are victorious, and the Nephite nation is destroyed—Hundreds of thousands are slain with the sword. About A.D. 385.”

 

Keep in mind, this also included Moroni’s dad, Mormon.

Apparently Moroni finished writing his dad’s excerpt for the Book of Mormon c. 401 AD. By this time his dad had already been dead for 15 years.

Mormon 8:3; “And my father also was killed by them, and I even remain alone to write the sad tale of the destruction of my people…” – 401-421 AD

Fast forward a chapter or so to Moroni 8:1 (c. 401-421 AD), and we find Moroni stating he received a letter from his dad, Mormon, shortly after he (Moroni) went into ministry.

Remember, this was fifteen years after his father supposedly died.

“An epistle of my father Mormon, written to me, Moroni; and it was written unto me soon after my calling to the ministry. And on this wise did he write unto me, saying…”

How did this happen?

Complicating matters further, we see another timing problem for Moroni and his dad. The following is still more of that letter where his dad is telling him (Moroni) the Nephites’ pride is what eventually killed them off.

Moroni 8:27; “Behold, my son, I will write unto you again if I go not out soon against the Lamanites. Behold, the pride of this nation, or the people of the Nephites, hath proven their destruction except they should repent.” About A.D. 401–421.

Again, how did this happen?

How could he talk if he was dead?

How would he know these things if he was already dead?

Why would he talk about the pride of the Nephite nation if they were already dead?

And last, but not least, notice three key phrases Mormon focused on in vss. 28-29 –

Moroni 8:28-29; “Pray for them, my son, that repentance may comeunto them. But behold, I fear lest the Spirit hath ceased striving with them; and in this part of the land they are also seeking to put down all power and authority which cometh from God; and they are denying the Holy Ghost. 29 And after rejecting so great a knowledge, my son, they must perish soon, unto the fulfilling of the prophecies which were spoken by the prophets, as well as the words of our Savior himself.” – c. 421 AD

The Nephites had been dead for 36 years so why would they need prayer for them to repent (v. 28)?

If they’d already been dead, why did Mormon state they must perish soon in v. 29?

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Mormon Decisions 10Today we’re asking the question –

Is it plausible that the BoM people practiced Christianity while living in both Central and South America for over 1,100 years and left no evidence of their existence on either continent?

 

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Holley1Leaving Mormonism and all it entails is a process filled with surprises, shock, disappointments and relief to name a few. Just when you think you’ve heard it all and nothing else can surprise you, a new discovery in Mormon teachings or history rears its ugly head.

The article here is case in point. I’ll never forget the first time I saw maps from the era of Joseph Smith’s day.  I sat in shock as I read names of valleys and townships that were eerily similar to names I knew were in the Book of Mormon.

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Grafting in Whom?

Mormon Decisions 101 Nephi 10:14; “And after the house of Israel should be scattered they should be gathered together again; or, in fine, after the Gentiles had received the fulness of the Gospel, the natural branches of the olive-tree, or the remnants of the house of Israel, should be grafted in, or come to the knowledge of the true Messiah, their Lord and their Redeemer.”

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salt lake mormon temple 2Alma 17:19; “And Ammon went to the land of Ishmael, the land being called after the sons of Ishmael, who also became Lamanites.”

Psalm 18:30; “As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.”

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Moroni 3The story of Moroni goes hand in hand with anything to do with Joseph Smith. If there’s no Moroni, there’s no restoration of the gospel and no first vision. Ahh, but the story of the first vision includes the lesser known version that Nephi, not Moroni, showed up to tell Joseph about the restoration.

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Shoddy Swords and Scalps

Mormon Decisions 10Alma 44:12; “And now when Moroni had said these words, Zerahemnah retained his sword, and he was angry with Moroni, and he rushed forward that he might slay Moroni; but as he raised his sword, behold, one of Moroni’s soldiers smote it even to the earth, and it broke by the hilt; and he also smote Zerahemnah that he took off his scalp and it fell to the earth. And Zerahemnah withdrew from before them into the midst of his soldiers.”

Psalm 119:105; “Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.”

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Deuteronomy 12:32; “What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.”

Prophet Malachi by Duccio di Buoninsegna 1308-1311 ItalyCould Jesus be wrong about Scripture? If He was the one who inspired men to write scripture is there a plausible answer for what took place with His visit to the Nephites in America circa 33 AD?

Our example in the Deuteronomy verse above is a gift to us from the Lord and should be used as guidance in how we’re to treat scripture and His commandments. When the Bible says not to add to His words or take away from it, we should heed His wise counsel and remember it when we come across things like we see with Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon.

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