Posts Tagged ‘Lamanites’

bom.jpgToday we’re taking a look at one specific chapter in the Book of Mormon. While glancing through this I couldn’t help but notice several significant contradictions – no surprise!

As a reminder, here’s the setting taken from the Church’s brief intro about this chapter:

“The Nephites separate themselves from the Lamanites, keep the law of Moses, and build a temple—Because of their unbelief, the Lamanites are cut off from the presence of the Lord, are cursed, and become a scourge unto the Nephites. About 588–559 B.C.”

Let’s take a look at what they’ve done!


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Galatians 5:22-23; “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.”

joseph smith 3Today we’re looking at claims the Book of Mormon makes about itself, and if you know anything about Mormonism, you probably have an opinion about it as well! Outside opinions can be helpful, but what does the book itself say about its own content?


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Mormon Decisions 10Jarom 1:1-2, 13-14; “Now behold, I, Jarom, write a few words according to the commandment of my father, Enos, that our genealogy may be kept. 2 And as these plates are small, and as these things are written for theBoM intent of the benefit of our brethren the Lamanites, wherefore, it must needs be that I write a little; but I shall not write the things of my prophesying, nor of my revelations. For what could I write more than my fathers have written? For have not they revealed the plan of salvation? I say unto you, Yea; and this sufficeth me. 13 And it came to pass that two hundred and thirty and eight years had passed away — after the manner of wars, and contentions, and dissensions, for the space of much of the time. 14 And I, Jarom, do not write more, for the plates are small. But behold, my brethren, ye can go to the other plates of Nephi; for behold, upon them the records of our wars are engraven, according to the writings of the kings, or those which they caused to be written.”


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Holley1Leaving Mormonism and all it entails is a process filled with surprises, shock, disappointments and relief to name a few. Just when you think you’ve heard it all and nothing else can surprise you, a new discovery in Mormon teachings or history rears its ugly head.

The article here is case in point. I’ll never forget the first time I saw maps from the era of Joseph Smith’s day.  I sat in shock as I read names of valleys and townships that were eerily similar to names I knew were in the Book of Mormon.


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Salt Lake TempleSeveral days ago one of our good friends here at LAM sent me a link to an article in the NY Times.  The story highlighted the relationship between the Navajo Indian tribe and the Mormon Church.


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salt lake mormon temple 2Journal of Discourses 7:337; “You may inquire of the intelligent of the world whether they can tell why the aborigines of this country are dark, loathsome, ignorant, and sunken into the depths of degradation… When the Lord has a people, he makes covenants with them and gives unto them promises: then, if they transgress his Law, change his ordinances, and break his covenants he has made with them, he will put a mark upon them, as in the case of the Lamanites and other portions of the house of Israel; but by-an-by they will become a white and delightsome people.” – Prophet Brigham Young, Salt Lake City, October 8, 1859


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salt lake mormon temple 2Alma 17:19; “And Ammon went to the land of Ishmael, the land being called after the sons of Ishmael, who also became Lamanites.”

Psalm 18:30; “As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.”


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Racial Divisions

Mormon Decisions 101 Nephi 13:15; “And I beheld the Spirit of the Lord, that it was upon the Gentiles, and they did prosper and obtain the land for their inheritance; and I beheld that they were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful, like unto my people before they were slain.”

Acts 10:34-35; “Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.”


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Book of Mormon Changes

Yesterday while reading some interesting news stories on BYU’s online newspaper, I came across an article they posted a few years back about changes made to the introduction in the Book of Mormon. http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/66279





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Racist Mormon Toys Update

Congrats!  You did it!!!  I thought I’d give an update on the Racist Mormon Toys.  Today I was informed those toys have been removed from the list of available products to purchase from Latter-Day Designs.

Thanks to all of you who took the time to e-mail the company and tell them you didn’t approve of their racist products.  It just goes to show you what we can do as a society when we stand up and speak out!  If you see other things like this that need attention don’t hesitate to let me know and we’ll do what we can.  Thanks Rebecca, Salt Lake Tribune and Indian Country Newspaper!

With Love in Christ, Michelle Grim

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Lamanites Cursed Until All Gentiles Convert

August 1889, Contributor 10:364; The remnant of the Lamanites who are cursed below all humanity that we are acquainted with—who have been filled with the spirit of bloodshed which they have inherited from their fathers—they will embrace the Gospel in the due time of the Lord. They are of the house of Israel, and this spirit of war will be taken from them and they will become the children of God, but not until the Gentiles have entirely rejected the Gospel. Anciently it was preached to the Jews first and then to the Gentiles; in the latter times it will be first preached to the Gentiles and then to the Jews—the first shall be last and the last first.


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 Book of Mormon & Dates in History

     A few years ago I took a bible study class on the book of Jeremiah.  Now I’ve been taking bible study classes non-stop since I was saved back on Palm Sunday of ’93 and I have to say that just like every other Christian I learn a lot, but there are times when the studies are more significant than others.  The study of Jeremiah did that for me.


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The Book of Questions

Helaman – BC 52-2

I’ve always thought of Helaman as the book of questions. While the entire Book of Mormon has many unanswered questions this one book has always made me wonder why my people can’t see through the lies of Joseph Smith. Today we’re looking at just a couple of things.


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Inspired of God?  Difficulties in the Book of Mormon

“All scripturei s given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” 2 Timothy 3:16.

     The key word here is inspiration.  This word in the Greek is theopneustos.  It means God breathed.  Look anywhere in the Bible, there is nothing in it that contradicts itself, there are no mistakes, and it is all one hundred percent perfect! Archaeologists will sometimes use the Bible to search for the spots they want to investigate.  There are hundreds of documents which prove the Bible to be true, from Josephus of the first century to the Dead Sea Scrolls.  Each time they find something new, it validates what the Bible says!


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March 20 – Ex. 12:9 says; “Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it”.


God was rather clear when He told the Israelites not to eat raw meat, but in the Book of Mormon this isn’t a problem with their god.  Ask them why this would be so.


1 Nephi 17:2;  “And so great were the blessings of the Lord upon us, that while we did live upon raw meat in the wilderness, our women did give plenty of suck for their children, and were strong, yea, even like unto the men; and they began to bear their journeyings without murmurings”.

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March 18 – Luke 11:33 says; “No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light”.


 Word study!  The Mormon Church has their temples to utter secret oaths to their god.  They will tell you they are sacred not secret, but they won’t tell you what those oaths are.  That’s what makes them secret!


1 Nephi 20:16 even says that their god doesn’t speak in secret.  “Come ye near unto me; I have not spoken in secret; from the beginning, from the time that it was declared have I spoken; and the Lord God, and his Spirit hath sent me”.

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March 17 – 1 Corinthians 14:33 tells us that God is never a God of confusion.  “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints”.


The Mormon Church teaches that three of the twelve apostles never died.  If this is the case, then why do the Mormons claim the church needed to be restored?


Introduction of 3 Nephi 28.  “Each of the twelve is granted his heart’s desire – Three elect to remain on earth until the Lord comes in his glory…They are made immune to death and disaster”.

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March 16 – Matt. 2:1; “Now Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea…”


As of 2004, the Book of Mormon has had more than 4,000 changes made to it that are not considered typographical errors.  Even today’s writings in the Book of Mormon contain a falsehood about Jesus’ birthplace.  Ask your Mormon friend what they think about this and remind them that their personal opinion matters to you!


Alma 7:10; “And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers…”

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March 15 – Is. 40:8; “The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever”.


Word study time!  Eternal and forever are the key words for today.  Look them up in a dictionary, concordance and lexicon and then share your new found knowledge with the Mormon.  Be sure to use some of your favorite verses from the Bible that contain these words.  Don’t forget to explain why the verses you share are your favorites.  What did God reveal to you through these things?


2 Nephi 9:16; “And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word which cannot pass away”.

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Studying the Book of Mormon 12

 “To generalize is to be an idiot” – William Blake

 Mormon 5:7; “And it came to pass that we did again take to flight, and those whose flight was swifter than the Lamanites’ did escape, and those whose flight did not exceed the Lamanites’ were swept down and destroyed.

With those two things in mind, let’s take a quick look at what other people have said and done in history.

 389 AD – St. Patrick is born

400 AD – Niall is first man called king of Ireland

405 AD – Jerome completes the Vulgate

410 AD – Visigoths sack Rome

410 AD – trousers are introduced replacing togas and in China stirrups are invented making it easier to ride horses

413 AD – St. Augustine writes City of God

415 AD – Jews are expelled from Alexandria

September 30, 420 AD – Jerome dies peacefully in Bethlehem while working on his commentary of Ezekiel.

February 8, 421 AD – Constantius III becomes co-Emperor of Western Roman Empire

September 2, 421 AD – Constantius III dies

422 AD – The walls of The Colosseum crack during an earthquake

439 AD – Vandals conquer Carthage

 These events in fifty years of history around the time of Moroni can be verified with the assurance they surely took place.  Names of people, cities they lived in, inventions, and books they may have written can be verified through archaeological evidences or historical events documented through time. (1)

 Why is it we can’t find any archaeological evidence from the Book of Mormon?  Nothing, and I do mean nothing, has ever been found to authenticate the claims made by Joseph Smith.

 The past few months have proven themselves to be an interesting time of discovery during our studies.  What we have unearthed hasn’t cast a favorable light on the writings of Joseph Smith.

We’ve found that Nephi and Lehi’s claims of being persecuted by the Jews in Jerusalem in 600 BC were nothing more than a far-fetched story etched in the mind of Joseph Smith.

 The probability of the Jaredites actually sailing across the Atlantic in 2200 BC is virtually incalculable and the Tower of Babel story was off by more than a thousand years.

 One thing I wish I would’ve done is to count the number of false prophecies, alas; we’ll leave that for another day.  Suffice it to say there are more than a few.

 Moroni is the last prophet in the line of the Nephites and his book carries the title of his name.  In essence he is sharing a letter his father wrote to him of a long drawn out farewell to his son and other Nephites clearly stating he knew no one would see the sacred writings of his forefathers in the centuries to come.  It’s just a little too coincidental and convenient.

Smith has set up for himself a fail proof prophecy by trying to prove that he is the appointed one spoken of by Moroni some fourteen hundred years earlier.

 The book of Moroni reminded me of a self pity party gone bad.  Interspersed with the woe-is-me psyche, the first six chapters are filled with instructions of how to administer the elements, ordination procedures of priests/teachers, baptismal rituals and consequences for sin.

  Chapters 6 through 8 are filled with half quotes lifted from the Bible and in chapter 9 we see one of the hallmarks in Smith’s thought process.  It is clear after you’ve studied the Mormon religion that it’s been built upon two things.  Those two indicating factors are sex and godhood status.

 Moroni 9:9;

…For behold, many of the daughters of the Lamanites have they taken prisoners; and after depriving them of that which was most dear and precious above all things, which is chastity and virtue—

 Aside from the racist view of non-whites, this is the most offensive teaching found in the Book of Mormon.  How do you deprive someone of being chaste or virtuous?  You can’t force someone to lie, nor can you force someone to be an honorable person.  The only way one could interpret this verse is to understand your virginity is more important than all other things.  You are ruined and worthless in the eyes of God if you’re a victim of rape.  This is particularly bad for women in Utah.  The rate of rape in Utah is always higher than the national average and it’s been that way for decades now.  See our article on vital stats in Utah here http://www.lifeafter.org/stats2008a.asp

 Imagine how 33% of the women in Utah feel while sitting in a Sacrament meeting reading that.  Good job Mr. Smith.

 I cannot understand how any Mormon could find hope for their tired soul anywhere in Moroni, let alone the Book of Mormon.  Sadly, we’ve found that Mormons have a voracious appetite in defending this work and I’m left to wonder if they’ve even bothered to read it.

 One of the main problems with the Book of Mormon is the glaring lack of a dictionary enabling us to gain a full understanding of Reformed Egyptian.

 To complicate matters even further, the teachings from the last two chapters of Moroni don’t correspond with basic tenets found within Mormonism.  Grace, the Trinity and final judgment after death are all foreign concepts to the Mormon. It’s obvious these teachings and words have been incorporated into the text to confuse members, making it sound biblical.

 The infamous “burning in the bosom” passage is located in Moroni 10:3-5 which boldly contradicts what the Bible says in Jeremiah 17:9.

 Moroni 10:3-5; “Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.  4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.  5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.

 Jeremiah 17:9; “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

 Below you’ll find basic statistics about the book of Moroni pointing out errors, false prophecies, grammatical problems, Greek and Latin words in the Book of Mormon and noteworthy teachings.

 Think about this while you look at the statistical info below.

 If God is perfect, why would he use poor grammar in the Book of Mormon?

 If Joseph Smith was truly a prophet of God then why did he announce that he used no Greek or Latin words in the Book of Mormon?

 If the Book of Mormon is true when it states God is the same from everlasting to everlasting, how do you explain that God was once a man?

 If the Nephites truly lived in the fifth century, why were they using phrases from the Bible that was written on a different continent four hundred years earlier?

 If you’re a member of the LDS Church, know that we pray for you every single day.  My heart is heavy knowing the struggle it is to be a Mormon.  I lived that life for 30 years.  There are questions that need to be answered about the Book of Mormon and it’s your right to have your questions answered honestly.

 If the Book of Mormon doesn’t line up with basic common sense regarding historical, grammatical and biblical investigation then you need to know so that you can make an intelligent decision in what you want to do.  Worshipping the wrong god has serious consequences in the hereafter.

 With Love in Christ;

Michelle Grim

1 Cor. 1:18



8:10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 22


10:3, 4, 5, 26

Noteworthy teachings

 Moroni 5:1 – elements are of wine, not water like the Church serves today

Moroni 6:6 – Wine served in communion – not water

Moroni 7:22 – God is everlasting to everlasting (contradictory to God once being a man)

Moroni 7:26 – saved by faith in God (this is not taught in Mormonism)

Moroni 8:8 – Christ is God, kids can’t sin, Jesus takes away Law of circumcision

Moroni 8:18 – God doesn’t change (contradictory to God once being a man)

Moroni 8:23 – Mockery before God to trust in dead works

Moroni 9:4 – Holy Spirit ceases to strive amongst men

 Moroni 9:9 – rape victims are not worthy in God’s eyes (see commentary by Ezra T. Benson in New Era, Jan ’88, pg.4, BYU Devotional of 10/87)

 Moroni 10:26 – no need for baptisms for the dead

Moroni 10:29 – Moroni doesn’t lie


 Moroni 6:1, 2, 4, 7 are lifted from Matt. 3:8; Ps. 51:17; Heb. 12:2 and Rev. 3:5 respectively

Compare Moroni 7:1 & 1 Cor. 13:13

Moroni 7:6 and 1 Cor. 13:13

Moroni 7:7 and Romans 4:3

Moroni 7:16 and 1 Cor. 12:7

Moroni 7:17 and Romans 3:12

Moroni 7:18 and Matthew 7:2

Moroni 7:26 and John 16:23; Matthew 21:22

Moroni 7:34 and Acts 2:38

Moroni 7:39 and Hebrews 6:9

Moroni 7:43 and Matt. 11:29

Moroni 7:44 and 1 Cor. 12:3, 13:2

Moroni 7:45 and 1 Cor. 13:4, 5, 6, 7

Moroni 7:46 and 1 Cor. 13:2, 8, 13

Moroni 7:47 (Charity is an old English word for love.  It seems odd that Smith would find it necessary to explain this)

Moroni 7:48 and 1 John 3:1, 2, 3

Moroni 8:3 and Acts 4:30

Moroni 8:4 and 1 Cor. 1:11

Moroni 8:6 – chastisement of the people like Paul in Corinthians

Moroni 8:8 and Matt. 9:12-13

Moroni 8:14 and Acts 8:23; 1 Cor. 13:13

Moroni 8:16 and Acts 13:10; Luke 13:3; 1 John 4:18

 Moroni 8:26 and John 14:16, 26 (the word Comforter is a Middle English word originating in 1300 AD.  Why is this word in the BoM if it wasn’t a word in 421 AD and in the KJV but wasn’t in the Vulgate? – also see our article about Greek and Latin words in the BoM here http://www.lifeafter.org/greeklatin.asp)

 Moroni 9:6 and Acts 13:10

Moroni 9:22 and Luke 13:3

Moroni 10:8 and 1 Cor 12:4-7

Moroni 10:9 and 1 Cor. 12:8

Moroni 10:10 and 1 Cor. 12:8

Moroni 10:11 and 1 Cor. 12:9

Moroni 10:12 and 1 Cor. 12:10

Moroni 10:13 and 1 Cor. 12:10

Moroni 10:14 and 1 Cor. 12:10

Moroni 10:15 and 1 Cor. 12:10

Moroni 10:16 and 1 Cor. 12:10

Moroni 10:17 and 1 Cor. 12:11

Moroni 10:19 and Heb. 13:8

Moroni 10:20 and 1 Cor. 13:13

Moroni 10:25 and Romans 3:12

Moroni 10:38 and Zech. 12:10

Moroni 10:31 and Isaiah 52:1

Moroni 10:32 and 2 Cor. 12:9

Moroni 10:34 and Acts 10:42

 Grammar Problems

 Moroni 1:4; “Wherefore, I write a few more things, contrary to that which I had supposed; for I had supposed not to have written any more; but I write a few more things…

 Moroni 9:24; “…write somewhat a few things, if thou art spared and I shall perish and not see thee…

 Moroni 10:1; “…and I would that they should know that more than four hundred and twenty years have passed away…

 Not Inspired

 Moroni 1:1; “Now I, Moroni, after having made an end of abridging the account of the people of Jared, I had supposed not to have written more, but I have not as yet perished…

 Moroni 7:1; “And now I, Moroni, write a few of the words of my father Mormon…

 Moroni 8:1-2; “An epistle of my father Mormon, written to me, Moroni; and it was written unto me soon after my calling to the ministry. And on this wise did he write unto me, saying:  2 My beloved son, Moroni, I rejoice exceedingly that your Lord Jesus Christ hath been mindful of you…

 Moroni 9:24; “…write somewhat a few things, if thou art spared and I shall perish and not see thee…

 Moroni 10:1; “Now I, Moroni, write somewhat as seemeth me good; and I write unto my brethren, the Lamanites…

 Greek and Latin Words in Moroni

 35 words used 250 times

 1. http://www.christianhistorytimeline.com/DAILYF/2001/09/daily-09-30-2001.shtml





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