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 Doctrines of Salvation, 3:225 “SEER STONE NOT USED IN BOOK OF MORMON TRANSLATION.
We have been taught since the days of the Prophet that the Urim and Thummim were returned with the plates to the angel. We have no record of the Prophet having the Urim and Thummim after the organization of the Church…” – Joseph Fielding Smith

LDS Gospel Topic Essay, ‘Book of Mormon Translation’ “The other instrument, which Joseph Smith discovered in the ground years before he retrieved the gold plates, was a small oval stone, or “seer stone.” As a young man during the 1820s, Joseph Smith, like others in his day, used a seer stone to look for lost objects and buried treasure. As Joseph grew to understand his prophetic calling, he learned that he could use this stone for the higher purpose of translating scripture.

Apparently for convenience, Joseph often translated with the single seer stone rather than the two stones bound together to form the interpreters. These two instruments—the interpreters and the seer stone—were apparently interchangeable and worked in much the same way such that, in the course of time, Joseph Smith and his associates often used the term “Urim and Thummim” to refer to the single stone as well as the interpreters…” (more…)

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“If God does not save men by truth, he certainly will not save them by lies. And if the old gospel is not competent to work a revival, then we will do without the revival.” –  Charles Spurgeon

Leaders of the LDS Church picked up where Joe Smith left off by indulging themselves with a major ‘do-over’ through the pen of renowned church historian, BH Roberts.

The work we’re looking at today was written by Mr. Roberts in 1930, telling us that it’s long after the actual event a century prior.

Smith’s lies are deplorable, and making excuses by retrofitting them into Church History books, is nothing less than reprehensible. Especially so when it’s done by feeding it to members, young and old alike, which is what they’ve done here.

The Church must’ve felt their story would be easier to believe by explaining away the contradictions found in their own published history, thus the rewrite. However, this still doesn’t explain why Smith was using tools of witchcraft to ‘translate’ the golden plates he supposedly dug out of a hill in upstate NY. (more…)

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Mormon Decisions 10500 More Little Known Facts in Mormon History, p 4; “Two Sacred Interpreters or Three? (1827) The Urim and Thummim assigned to Joseph were the same interpreters received by the Brother of Jared on MountJoseph Smith's Seer Stone Simeon. Abraham received a different Urim and Thummim while he was in Ur, of the Caldees. Martin Harris said that the prophet also possessed a seer stone by which he was able to translate, as well as with the Urim and Thummin. Whereas the Urim and Thummim were composed of two crystal stones set in the rims of a bow (and detachable), the seer stone was a small, oval, kidney shaped stone. This was separate and distinct from the Urim and Thummim that were delivered to the angel after the translation. The seer stone is still in the possession of the Church President.” – George W. Givens, 2004

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Mormon Decisions 10An Address to All Believers in Christ, 1887, p 53; “The revelations in the Book of Commandments up to June, 1829, were given through the ‘stone,’ through which the Book of Mormon was translated.” – David Whitmer

 

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Mormon Decisions 10Today we’re doing things a little differently – woo-hoo!  

Go back in your memory bank – way back. Try to remember your very first memory in life that you hold most dear and just think upon that for a moment. 

Got it? That tender memory you hold most dear is guarded with the utmost respect and we pamper that memory as if we’re protecting the small child in your memory.  You don’t let anyone or anything that could bring harm to come within reach of that kid (probably you) and such is the case with our fondest memory . 

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BoMLast year the Church “quietly” began rewriting and giving new definitions to several doctrinal subjects in the Gospel Topics section of their website as well as releasing some very controversial historical documents they’ve kept from prying eyes for over a century.

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Translating the Book of Mormon w/ Hats & Stones

salt lake mormon temple 2“A Treasured Testament”, Ensign, July 1993, pg 61; “The details of this miraculous method of translation are still not fully known. Yet we do have a few precious insights. David Whitmer wrote: “Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat, and put his face in the hat, drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light; and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine. A piece of something resembling parchment would appear, and on that appeared the writing. One character at a time would appear, and under it was the interpretation in English. Brother Joseph would read off the English to Oliver Cowdery, who was his principal scribe, and when it was written down and repeated to Brother Joseph to see if it was correct, then it would disappear, and another character with the interpretation would appear. Thus the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God, and not by any power of man.” (David Whitmer, An Address to All Believers in Christ, Richmond, Mo.: n.p., 1887, p. 12.)” – Russell M. Nelson

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Translating “Scripture”

Mormon Decisions 10Ensign, “A Treasured Testament”, July 1993, pg 61; “The details of this miraculous method of translation are still not fully known. Yet we do have a few precious insights. David Whitmer wrote: “Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat, and put his face in the hat, drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light; and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine. A piece of something resembling parchment would appear, and on that appeared the writing. One character at a time would appear, and under it was the interpretation in English. Brother Joseph would read off the English to Oliver Cowdery, who was his principal scribe, and when it was written down and repeated to Brother Joseph to see if it was correct, then it would disappear, and another character with the interpretation would appear. Thus the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God, and not by any power of man.” (David Whitmer, An Address to All Believers in Christ, Richmond, Mo.: n.p., 1887, p. 12.)” – Russell M. Nelson

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Treasure-Seeking Ways of Joseph

Mormon Decisions 10The following is an excerpt from an interview of Joseph Smith’s father by local journalists. The book A New Witness for Christ in America was written by Francis Kirkham in defense of the Church. Mr. Kirkham was tutored by James Talmage, attended BYU, graduated from Univ. Michigan, went to law school at the Univ. of Utah and even taught at BYU for two years, served 3 yr mission for the Church and wrote a grammar book for missionaries to help them learn Maori. 

While living in New York and performing in-depth studies of the Book of Mormon Mr. Kirkham had the opportunity to compile dozens of interviews and articles of Joseph Smith’s family members and contemporaries from New York and Ohio newspapers. The compilation of those papers resulted in Kirkham’s book series A New Witness for Christ in America. 

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Seer Stones for Righteous

Mormon Decisions 10Millennial Star, No. 8, Vol. 26, February 27, 1864, pg 118-119; “27 I met with the twelve at brother Joseph’s.  He conversed with us in a familiar manner on a variety of subjects, and explained to us the Urim and Thummim which he found with the plates, called in the Book of Mormon the Interpreters.  He said that every man who lived on the earth was entitled to a seer stone, and should have one, but they are kept from them in consequence of their wickedness and most of those who do find one make an evil use of it; he showed us his seer stone.” – Brigham Young

2 Thess. 2:9-11; “Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.”

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More on the Seer Stone Quandary…

For this dilemma we’re looking at just a few of the controversial comments made by Church leaders and scriptures found in Church authorized reading materials that cast a shadow of doubt on the godliness of how Smith translated the golden plates.

 

 

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Seer Stones (Crystal Gazing)

Encyclopedia of Mormonism, pg. 1293; Joseph Smith wrote that in 1823 an angel told him about “two stones in silver bows…fastened to a breastplate…the possession and use of [which] constituted “seers’ in ancient or former times” (JS-H 1:35). Joseph used these and other seer stones that he found in various ways (occasionally referred to by the biblical term Urim and Thummim) for several purposes, primarily in translating the Book of Mormon and receiving revelations (see HC 1:21-23, 33, 36, 45, 49; 3:28; 5:xxxii; CHC 6:230-31).

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1826 Arrest of Joseph Smith

In 1826 Joseph Smith was arrested for being an imposter and trying to trick people out of money by using a seer stone placed in a hat to magically find things buried in the earth.

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