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 September 4 – What apostasy? Matthew 16:18  “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

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March 17 –Lies of Mormonism because they don’t want to follow God. 1 Corinthians 14:33 tells us that God is never a God of confusion. “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints”.

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Revelation 22:19 “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

Today we’re looking at part of D&C 32. The entire section contains only 5 verses, but its significance is how it contains 5 failed prophecies of Joe Smith.

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March 17 –Lies of Mormonism because they don’t want to follow God. 1 Corinthians 14:33 tells us that God is never a God of confusion. “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints”.

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The Restoration

mormon-missionary-discussions-1.pngOnce again before getting into the discussion, missionaries are to ask the investigators for a commitment to be baptized.

In the instructions missionaries read it says –

“If the investigators have not yet committed themselves to be baptized or have not yet attended Church meetings, these commitments must be among your major objectives for this discussion.”

At this point and even prior to it, investigators are expected to make a commitment to the church before they have been presented with all the information necessary to make an informed decision. This is only discussion three, there are three more lessons they must have before they are baptized, what’s the hurry? Why do they need a commitment so soon? These are just a couple of questions that have come to mind as I’ve started this series.

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September Witnessing Tip 16September 4 – What apostasy? Matthew 16:18  “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

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Mormon Decisions 10Journal of Discourses 4:1; “I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people, and He is the God that pertains to this earth-the first man. That first man sent his own Son to redeem the world, to redeem his brethren; his life was taken, his blood shed, that our sins might be remitted. That Son called twelve men and ordained them to be Apostles, and when he departed the keys of the kingdom were deposited with three of those twelve, viz.: Peter, James, and John. Peter held the keys pertaining to that Presidency, and he was the head.” – Heber Chase Kimball, Salt Lake Territory, June 29, 1856

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What is the LDS Restoration Built Upon?

salt lake mormon temple 2Answers to Gospel Questions 2:161; “No Bible student today believes that the Bible has come down to us in its perfect and original appearance in the manuscripts. Scribes left out words and phrases, just as we do at times in typing, missing one whole line and thus changing the meaning. Moreover, the scribes added or interpreted according to their own opinions at times. These things are quite generally understood. Therefore we find errors and contradictions in the Bible.”

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Why the LDS Church is True

(According to an e-mail I received)

     While I receive many e-mails for the ministry, one that caught my attention the most came from a Mormon a while back by the name of Shane.  In his 15 page defense of the Church, a common theme ran throughout which has prompted this reply. I still use this e-mail as a response to other Mormons who write in with the exact copy & paste reasons the Church is true.

     This Mormon took it upon himself to copy and paste a large section from the LDS website to let us know why the Church is true.

     As the Christian will see, the reasoning he employs is lacking in spiritual maturity by using their (the LDS) defense.  His spiritual condition doesn’t promote ridicule on our part, but once again begs for empathy from those of us who’ve walked the same path.  It saddens me he can’t or won’t stop long enough to compile his own reasons for trusting the LDS Church.  Instead it’s a copy and paste world in the minds of many Mormons.  The way he responded also reminds me of a common response we see with many Mormons.

     For instance, when asked where the proof is that someone like Nephi existed they’ll ask what proof there is the apostles existed. Instead of answering the question with definitive answer about Nephi, they attack the Bible.

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Apostasy…not Exactly

Answers to Gospel Questions 2:45; “Moreover, the Lord, of necessity, has kept authorized servants on the earth bearing the priesthood from the days of Adam to the present time; in fact, there has never been a moment from the beginning that there were not men on the earth holding the Holy Priesthood. (Moses 5:59.) Even in the days of apostasy, and apostasy has occurred several times, the Lord never surrendered this earth and permitted Satan to have complete control. Even when the great apostasy occurred following the death of the Savior’s apostles, our Father in heaven held control and had duly authorized servants on the earth to direct his work and to check, to some extent at least, the ravages and corruption of the evil powers. These servants were not permitted to organize the Church nor to officiate in the ordinances of the gospel, but they did check the advances of evil as far as the Lord deemed it necessary.” – Joseph Fielding Smith, jr.

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John the Apostle Never Dies

D&C 7:3; “And the Lord said unto me: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, because thou desirest this thou shalt tarry until I come in my glory, and shalt prophesy before nations, kindreds, tongues and people.”

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Apostates 

Teachings of Harold B. Lee, pg 298; “Those who apostatize from this church apostatized for one of two reasons—either because they have sinned and lost the faith, or they’re ignorant of the doctrines of the Church. I say, you think about what I have just said. If we, as the Church, expect the family can be ignorant and safe, we expect what never was and never will be”.

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Apostasy from the First Century to Joseph Smith 

Journal of Discourses 18:44; “This great apostacy [sic] commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now. A short time after the death of the last of the Apostles, the Christian Church, what few of them remained, were persecuted from mountain to mountain, from den to den, from one cave of the earth to another, and from nation to nation until they were entirely exterminated and rooted out of the earth. Well, what was left? An apostate Christianity, a Christianity without revelators, without any voice of God, without any Prophets to unfold the future, without visions, without any communications from the heavens. Apostacy [sic] succeeded the Christian Church and has borne rule over all the nations of the earth; and these Scriptures have been fulfilled; for they say that a certain power should arise, and make war with the Saints and overcome them, and they should be given into the hands of that power.” – Orson Pratt, Salt Lake City, July 11, 1875

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Apostles of the LDS (Mormon) Church

On Palm Sunday of 1993 I accepted the Lord Jesus into my heart as God and Savior.  From that day on my life was never the same – praise God!  Not long after I was saved from an eternal life separated from God, it became increasingly clear that what I was going to do with my life was about to change as well.

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MORMON TERMINOLOGY

 One of the most commonly asked questions I’ve received over the years is the request for help in witnessing to a Mormon friend or relative.  The first thing the born-again Christian has to understand is that they are speaking a different Christian language than the Mormon.  The words that we’re comfortable with knowing from the Bible are totally different from what the Mormon understands them to be.

 When I got out of the Mormon Church and asked Jesus to be my only Savior the subject of the unique Mormon vocabulary began a life-long study for me.  It took me roughly five years to root out all of the incorrect English words from the depths of my soul and this was done through the patience of my close friends gently correcting me, listening to and answering thousands of questions from me and of course the Lord’s promptings for me to dig deeper!

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Anti-Mormon vs. Anti-Mormonism

      When I was a Mormon a name they used for anyone who opposed the Church was “anti-Mormon”. The term anti-Mormon covers a huge spectrum to the members of the Mormon Church. There’s a mindset within the Church that if you aren’t with them you’re against them. They expect Christians to just ignore the major doctrinal differences between Mormonism and mainline Christianity. They want all of us to just accentuate the positive things about their religion, not worrying about the rest.

     Granted, there are groups that do appear to be less than kind to the Mormon people and there are others who can love the Mormon people while at the same time highly disagree with the doctrines of the Mormon Church. Many of the Mormons I have spoken with have told me that they see no difference between someone politely conversing with them using the Bible and someone screeching at them on a street corner, sign in hand telling them they’re going to hell. Both instances are perceived to be anti-Mormon, and enemies of the Church.

     Through this experience I’ve come to the conclusion that it doesn’t matter how you try to present the Gospel to the lost they will still find offense to it. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is offensive to those who don’t believe. Especially to the Mormons when you try to show them how the doctrines of their religion are not in line with the Bible. You may wonder as I have why the LDS think that people, who oppose the doctrines of their church, oppose them as well. In the process of reading and researching for this article I found the following quote;

 “Brothers and sisters, pray for the critics of the Church; love your enemies”. Spencer W. Kimball, Ensign May 1980

     Two years later he says it again. “Be of good cheer, for the Lord is guiding His church. Brothers and sisters, pray for the critics of the Church; love your enemies.” (Ensign May 1982)

     These quotes bring me to the title of this article. There is a huge difference in being against the Mormon people (anti-Mormon) and being against the doctrines of the Mormon Church (anti-Mormonism).

     For a Mormon to call someone an “anti-Mormon” is to call them something that is profane and vile. At least this is how the name was perceived when I was a Mormon. If a fellow church member called something or someone an anti-Mormon I knew to stay away. In Mormonism there’s an underlying persecution complex in the mindset of the Mormon. It usually kicks in not long after they are baptized into the Church when non-LDS friends and family start voicing their concerns about Mormonism.

     The new member may be exposed to literature that’s not church approved and paints the Church in a bad light, or they may run across someone who is a former Mormon who tells them about their exodus out of Mormonism. It’s just easier for the Mormons to slap the anti-Mormon label on an individual’s forehead or the cover of a book rather than take a step back and consider if there are valid concerns to be had about the Church.

     I know there maybe a few people in the world who are against the Mormon people for whatever reason, I’m not going to dispute that. Generally speaking, the people the Mormons are so quick to call their enemies and other names are just people who disagree with the doctrines of the Mormon Church. They have compared and contrasted their findings about Mormonism to Biblical research. I’m not talking about pulling stuff out of the air or off any random website discussing Mormonism.

     These people honestly looked at the historicity of Mormonism, its leaders, and its scripture. So if people are honestly researching, reading the materials the Mormon Church has already provided, and from there draw their own conclusion that Mormonism is a fraud, does that still make them “anti-Mormon” or does it make them “anti-Mormonism”?

     I believe the problem of being quick to judge someone who opposes the Church stems from the notion the Mormons have that tells them “they are their religion”. They put on a pure, happy, clean cut image for the world. When someone speaks against their church, while bringing up historical facts about their religion it tarnishes the way they want to be seen. I think maybe when someone shows them the truth about their religion; on some level it hurts their ego. With all those thoughts bouncing around in their heads it’s no wonder the moment someone makes a less than flattering remark about the Mormon Church they go into a defensive mode and think they are being attacked.

     I would love for the Mormon to understand that we aren’t against them. Sadly I know as long as they believe only their Church holds all the keys to salvation, they may never see the difference in an anti-Mormon and someone who is anti-Mormonism.

 In Christ,

Melissa Grimes (melissa@lifeafter.org)

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Interesting Facts of the 3 – in – 1 Part 4

 Alpha and Omega – Jesus is God

     3-in-1One of the biggest shocks for me when I left the Church was finding out that Jesus is God.  I felt very small for a really long time afterwards, wondering how I had never known this big piece of theological information.

     Fifteen years later I’ve come to know how easy enough it is for all of us to become “immune” to the true meaning of every day vocabulary.  However, when you’re LDS this is compounded by not knowing that dictionaries can also be used for help when reading our Bibles to find out things like Jesus is God.

     Recently while doing research for another article I found that the use of Alpha and Omega was used so frequently in the D&C it’d be a good idea to stop and think about the meaning of this phrase. Here is how the Holman Bible Dictionary describes Alpha and Omega;

 “ALPHA – ALPHA AND OMEGA are the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet and are used in Revelation to describe God or Christ (Rev. 1:8, 17; 21:6; 22:13.) “Alpha and omega” refers to God’s sovereignty and eternal nature. God and Christ are “the beginning and the end, the first and last.” (Rev. 22:13). Thus they control all history and all humans of all generations.

OMEGA  (oh mee’ guh) Last letter in the Greek alphabet. Together with the first letter, alpha, omega designates God and Christ as the all-encompassing Reality (Rev. 1:8; 21:6; 22:13).

      The idea that God and Christ control everything is simply mind boggling to me!  This God that we worship has created everything, yet knows me intimately and loves me too…there are no words to describe the comfort this brings.  Our prayer for the Mormon people is for them to know the inexpressible peace this God can bring to them as well.  I just can’t imagine Smith proclaiming this joy to the people when we read his works.  So the questions are as follows:

 Is Jesus God or not?

If He isn’t then why do several verses in D&C say that He is?

Was Joseph mistaken or was he purposefully trying to confuse members of the Church?

If God hates liars why would He allow only part of His word to be truth?

     The following list gives 22 examples of how the Mormon Church lies.  D&C 130:22 alone contradicts the examples below and does not support that Jesus is God.  There were verses in my little study I didn’t include on this list and I’m sure there are still others I’ve accidentally missed.

D&C 10:70; And now, remember the words of him who is the life and light of the world, your Redeemer, your Lord and your God. Amen.

D&C 17:9; And I, Jesus Christ, your Lord and your God, have spoken it unto you, that I might bring about my righteous purposes unto the children of men. Amen.

D&C 18:31; And I, Jesus Christ, your Lord and your God, have spoken it.

D&C 19:1; I am Alpha and Omega, Christ the Lord; yea, even I am he, the beginning and the end, the Redeemer of the world.

D&C 20:28; Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.

D&C 27:1; Listen to the voice of Jesus Christ, your Lord, your God, and your Redeemer, whose word is quick and powerful.

D&C 29:1; Listen to the voice of Jesus Christ, your Redeemer, the Great I AM, whose arm of mercy hath atoned for your sins.

D&C 34:1; My son Orson, hearken and hear and behold what I, the Lord God, shall say unto you, even Jesus Christ your Redeemer.

D&C 35:1-2; Listen to the voice of the Lord your God, even Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, whose course is one eternal round, the same today as yesterday, and forever.2 I am Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who was crucified for the sins of the world…

D&C 36:1, 8; Thus saith the Lord God, the Mighty One of Israel: Behold, I say unto you, my servant Edward, that you are blessed, and your sins are forgiven you, and you are called to preach my gospel as with the voice of a trump. 8 I am Jesus Christ, the Son of God; wherefore, gird up your loins and I will suddenly come to my temple. Even so. Amen.

D&C 38:1; Thus saith the Lord your God, even Jesus Christ, the Great I AM, Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the same which looked upon the wide expanse of eternity, and all the seraphic hosts of heaven, before the world was made.

D&C 39:1; Hearken and listen to the voice of him who is from all eternity to all eternity, the Great I AM, even Jesus Christ

D&C 51:1, 20; Hearken unto me, saith the Lord your God, and I will speak unto my servant Edward Partridge… 20 Verily, I say unto you, I am Jesus Christ, who cometh quickly, in an hour you think not. Even so. Amen.

D&C 53:1-2; Behold, I say unto you, my servant Sidney Gilbert, that I have heard your prayers; and you have called upon me that it should be made known unto you, of the Lord your God, concerning your calling and election in the church, which I, the Lord, have raised up in these last days. 2 Behold, I, the Lord, who was crucified for the sins of the world

D&C 62:1; Behold, and hearken, O ye elders of my church, saith the Lord your God, even Jesus Christ, your advocate, who knoweth the weakness of man and how to succor them who are tempted.

D&C 63:59-60; Behold, I am from above, and my power lieth beneath. I am over all, and in all, and through all, and search all things, and the day cometh that all things shall be subject unto me.60 Behold, I am Alpha and Omega, even Jesus Christ.

D&C 66:13; Verily, thus saith the Lord your God, your Redeemer, even Jesus Christ. Amen.

D&C 76:1; Hear, O ye heavens, and give ear, O earth, and rejoice ye inhabitants thereof, for the Lord is God, and beside him there is no Savior.

D&C 81:7; Behold, and lo, these are the words of Alpha and Omega, even Jesus Christ. Amen.

D&C 130:22; The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.

 Gal. 6:7; Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

 Dead People Repent

      The following is interesting.

 D&C 138:58-59;The dead who repent will be redeemed, through obedience to the ordinances of the house of God,  59 And after they have paid the penalty of their transgressions, and are washed clean, shall receive a reward according to their works, for they are heirs of salvation.

 How can dead people repent?

How can dead people pay a penalty for their transgressions?

What about Jesus?

Didn’t the vicarious service of baptism for the dead settle their account?

Gnashing of Teeth

Alma 14:21; And many such things did they say unto them, gnashing their teeth upon them, and spitting upon them, and saying: How shall we look when we are damned?

 Questions:

 How exactly does one go about gnashing teeth upon someone?

Does this sound inspired of God?

 Strange Acts of God

     The indwelling of the Holy Spirit into the adopted children of God has to be one of the best miracles God has ever performed.  I sit in awe each time I dwell upon His love for me and for the way He is ever faithful.  Nothing about His works has ever been to demean or abuse us.  And knowing He is always there to provide for me will always be a comfort to me.  I wouldn’t pretend to know what lies ahead for me personally in this life, but I know I will always be humbled and safe.  That is why I find it offensive when I discovered this verse in the Doctrine and Covenants.

 D&C 95:4; For the preparation wherewith I design to prepare mine apostles to prune my vineyard for the last time, that I may bring to pass my strange act, that I may pour out my Spirit upon all flesh.

John 14:16-18; And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;  17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.  18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

 No Polygamy!

     Ugh, this is one of my most dreaded subjects that we deal with concerning Mormonism.  The demoralization of this vulgar practice knows no bounds. Those who are caught in its snares are affected in one way or another for life; men, women and children alike.  The warnings from Moses down to Paul weren’t meant solely for their day, but for ours as well.  It makes me think that maybe God knew what He was talking about!

 D&C 42:22, 26; Thou shalt love thy wife with all thy heart, and shalt cleave unto her and none else.  But if he doeth it again, he shall not be forgiven, but shall be cast out.

Deut. 17:17; Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.

 8 Months Later…Another Prophecy on Polygamy and Temptation

D&C 66:10-11; Seek not to be cumbered. Forsake all unrighteousness. Commit not adultery—a temptation with which thou hast been troubled.  11 Keep these sayings, for they are true and faithful; and thou shalt magnify thine office, and push many people to Zion with songs of everlasting joy upon their heads.

Ex. 20:14; Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Save Yourselves

     Just about everyone I’ve met tells me the same thing; “If the Mormon really believes all this then why are they so nice?”

     I do admit on the outside they do seem amiable enough, but being friendly doesn’t get you into heaven any faster than saving yourself can.  And this is what breaks my heart for the Mormon people.  They are nice, but they also believe they are their own Saviors.  Try as I might I cannot convince my mother that being a doormat for the Relief Society doesn’t gain her Brownie points with God.  Yet this is the only message the Mormons ever preach.

 D&C 38:40-42; And again, I say unto you, I give unto you a commandment, that every man, both elder, priest, teacher, and also member, go to with his might, with the labor of his hands, to prepare and accomplish the things which I have commanded.  41 And let your preaching be the warning voice, every man to his neighbor, in mildness and in meekness.  42 And go ye out from among the wicked. Save yourselves. Be ye clean that bear the vessels of the Lord. Even so. Amen.

Gal. 2:16-17; Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.  17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

 Odd Reactions

     Whenever I see things like this I have to wonder…

 Is this really inspired?

      The Holman Bible dictionary says this about the inspiration of scripture; “As indicated in the biblical explanation, inspiration is a divine-human encounter whereby God reveals truth. It is a message from God and of God, as well as through persons and for persons.”  From this understanding we can therefore ask ourselves if it is an inspired work of God.

 Is the “scripture” below a message from God and of God?

Is it for people like you, me or even my mother?

How is this “scripture” beneficial for your spiritual growth?

 Alma 14:8-11; And they brought their wives and children together, and whosoever believed or had been taught to believe in the word of God they caused that they should be cast into the fire; and they also brought forth their records which contained the holy scriptures, and cast them into the fire also, that they might be burned and destroyed by fire.  9 And it came to pass that they took Alma and Amulek, and carried them forth to the place of martyrdom, that they might witness the destruction of those who were consumed by fire.  10 And when Amulek saw the pains of the women and children who were consuming in the fire, he also was pained; and he said unto Alma: How can we witness this awful scene? Therefore let us stretch forth our hands, and exercise the power of God which is in us, and save them from the flames.  11 But Alma said unto him: The Spirit constraineth me that I must not stretch forth mine hand; for behold the Lord receiveth them up unto himself, in glory; and he doth suffer that they may do this thing, or that the people may do this thing unto them, according to the hardness of their hearts, that the judgments which he shall exercise upon them in his wrath may be just; and the blood of the innocent shall stand as a witness against them, yea, and cry mightily against them at the last day.

      Questions:

 If these holy men had the opportunity to save righteous people from the fire why didn’t they do it? 

How was watching these people burn so that others would go to hell be the proper thing to do?

 From a Christian who wrote in asking the following question and providing the verses below: 

 “Would you say there is a correlation here?”

 3 Nephi 17:23-24;And he spake unto the multitude, and said unto them: Behold your little ones.  24 And as they looked to behold they cast their eyes towards heaven, and they saw the heavens open, and they saw angels descending out of heaven as it were in the midst of fire; and they came down and encircled those little ones about, and they were encircled about with fire; and the angels did minister unto them.

Lev. 18:21; And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

      As always we are praying the LDS will stop for just a moment and contemplate a few of these scenarios.  I personally know what it means to be overwhelmed with it all, but when that scenario was taking place for me fifteen years ago, the one thing I knew I had to do was listen to Jesus’ voice more above my family’s heritage.

 With Love in Christ;

Michelle Grim

1 Cor. 1:18

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November 22 – Romans 8:3-4; “For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:  That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

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Jesus served as the fulfillment of the Law, meaning there is absolutely nothing we could ever do to work for our own salvation.  Remember, God isn’t the one that changes; we look to Him as our constant in life. 

Succumbing to what was politically and socially acceptable in the 21st century, the LDS Church changed their initiatory ordinances in the temple in January of 2005.  The only place they now touch you is on your forehead and the top of your head instead of touching your private body parts.  Yet, read what they had to say in 1982.

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“As temple work progresses, some members wonder if the ordinances can be changed or adjusted. These ordinances have been provided by revelation, and are in the hands of the First Presidency. Thus, the temple is protected from tampering.”  W. Grant Bangerter, executive director of the Temple Department and a member of the First Quorum of Seventy, Deseret News, Church Section, January 16, 1982

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