Posted in False Prophecies of the Mormon Church, tagged Adam is Michael, council of gods, Jesus created, Lucifer offered to be redeemer, pre-existence, War in Heaven on 07/08/2013| Leave a Comment »
War in Heaven
Encyclopedia of Mormonism, pg 1546; “To “bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (Moses 1:39), God the Father instituted the eternal Plan of Salvation…the plan was formally presented to the spirit children of God at a Council in Heaven. “Whom shall I send?” (Abr. 3:27) was the Father’s call for someone to be the redeemer. His eldest Son (D&C 93:21; Col. 1:15), known also as Jehovah…officially accepted this role and responded, “Here am I, send me” (Abr. 3:27)…
Posted in Mormon Dilemmas, tagged behavior determines race, bible, Christianity, false doctrines of Mormonism, Jesus, pre-existence, racism, salvation on 06/29/2013| Leave a Comment »
Spirit World Behavior Determines Race
“The Church and the Negroid People,” pp. 16-17; “Man will be punished for his own sins and not for Adam’s transgression. If this is carried further, it would imply that the Negro is punished or allotted to a certain position on this earth, not because of Cain’s transgression, but came to earth through the loins of Cain because of his failure to achieve other stature in the spirit world.” – William E. Berrett
Posted in False Prophecies of the Mormon Church, tagged 1 Cor 15:44-47, bible, Bible proves the pre-existence of man, false doctrines of Mormonism, Jesus, man is eternal, pre-existence, pre-mortal life, salvation on 06/16/2013| 3 Comments »
Pre-existence
Invitation to Exaltation, pg 3; “The Apostle John, citing the Savior’s words, records a significant thought pertaining to premortal life: “What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?” (John 6:62) And again, “No man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven. (John 3:13)”” – Thomas Monson
Posted in False Prophecies of the Mormon Church, tagged bible, Christianity, false apostle, false doctrines of Mormonism, Jesus' crucifixion, Lorenzo Snow, Lucifer and Jesus are brothers, Moses 4:1-4, pre-existence, salvation on 05/31/2013| Leave a Comment »
Journal of Discourses 14:309; “We simply do what the Lord our God commands us. God loves his offspring, the human family. His design is not simply to furnish happiness to the few here, called Latter-day Saints. The plan and scheme that he is now carrying out is for universal salvation; not only for the salvation of the Latter-day Saints, but for the salvation of every man and woman on the face of the earth, for those also in the spirit world, and for those who may hereafter come upon the face of the earth. It is for the salvation of every son and daughter of Adam. They are the offspring of the Almighty, he loves them all and his plans are for the salvation of the whole, and he will bring all up into that position in which they will be as happy and as comfortable as they are willing to be. Our mission is to the world, and not simply to carry the Gospel to the people, but to establish plans and lay schemes for their temporal salvation.” – Lorenzo Snow, Salt Lake City, January 14, 1872
Posted in Mormon Dilemmas, tagged 1 Cor. 15:45-47, bible, choosing your life on earth, Christianity, Ensign November 1995 pg 71, false doctrines of Mormonism, Jesus, pre-existence on 06/11/2012| Leave a Comment »
Pre-existence
Ensign, November 1996, p. 71; “In a premortal council at which we were all present, [the Savior] led the forces of good against those of Satan and his followers in a battle for the souls of men that began before this world was formed. That conflict continues today. We were all on the side of Jesus then. We are on the side of Jesus today.” – Joseph Wirthlin, “Christians in Belief and Action”
Posted in Mormon Terminology, tagged bible, Jesus, Jesus and Lucifer are brothers, Jesus chosen as savior, literally begotten by God, Mormon terminology, pre-existence, pre-mortal life, salvation on 03/07/2012| Leave a Comment »
Pre-mortal life/Pre-existence
The Mormon believes that he/she existed in spirit form before the earth was created and is co-eternal with God Himself. They also believe they came into existence through a sexual union between their Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother.
Posted in Racism in the Mormon Church, Racist Remarks by Leaders in the Church, tagged blacks not equal in Mormonism, Jesus, pre-existence, racism in Mormonism, salvation, some spirits are more intelligent than others on 02/18/2012| Leave a Comment »
Some Intelligences Greater than Others
Before Life, pg. 91-92; “God gave his children their free agency even in the spirit world…of choosing the good and rejecting the evil, or partaking of the evil to suffer the consequences of their sins. Because of this, some even there were more faithful than others in keeping the commandments of the Lord. Some were of greater intelligence than others, as we find it here…
Posted in Racist Remarks by Leaders in the Church, tagged Acts 17:26-27 & The Church and the Negroid People, blacks are cursed, false prophecies by Mormon Church, false prophets, pre-existence, racism on 02/12/2012| Leave a Comment »
Blacks Sinned in the Pre-existence
The Church and the Negroid People, pp. 16-17; “Man will be punished for his own sins and not for Adam’s transgression. If this is carried further, it would imply that the Negro is punished or alloted to a certain position on this earth, not because of Cain’s transgression, but came to earth through the loins of Cain because of his failure to achieve other stature in the spirit world.” – William E. Berrett
Posted in Mormon Dilemmas, tagged bible, Book of Mormon, creation, fall of man, false doctrines, Genesis 3:5 & 15, Mormon plan of salvation, pre-existence on 01/31/2012| 1 Comment »
Plan of Salvation
“In the premortal existence, Heavenly Father prepared a plan to enable us to become like Him and receive a fulness of joy. The scriptures refer to this plan as “the plan of salvation” (Alma 24:14; Moses 6:62), “the great plan of happiness” (Alma 42:8), “the plan of redemption” (Jacob 6:8; Alma 12:30), and “the plan of mercy” (Alma 42:15). The plan of salvation is the fulness of the gospel. It includes the Creation, the Fall, the Atonement of Jesus Christ, and all the laws, ordinances, and doctrines of the gospel. Moral agency, the ability to choose and act for ourselves, is also essential in Heavenly Father’s plan. Because of this plan, we can be perfected through the Atonement, receive a fulness of joy, and live forever in the presence of God. Our family relationships can last throughout the eternities.” – LDS Gospel Topics, Plan of Salvation
Posted in Mormon Dilemmas, tagged Christianity, Discourses of Brigham Young pg. 58 vs. John 3:13, false doctrines, Jesus, mormonism, pre-existence, salvation, spirit babies, spirits literally begotten by God on 01/27/2012| Leave a Comment »
Pre-existence
Discourses of Brigham Young, pg. 58; “We had an existence before we came into the world. Our spirits came here pure to take these tabernacles; they came to occupy them as habitations, with the understanding that all that had passed previously to our coming here should be taken away from us, that we should not know anything about it. 3:367.”
John 3:13; “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”
Posted in Mormon Dilemmas, tagged false doctrine, Jesus, mormonism, Only Begotten Son, pre-existence, spirit children on 12/09/2011| 3 Comments »
Jesus the Only Begotten?
Gospel Through the Ages, pg. 15; “The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind. At the great council he proposed a new plan of salvation, event, the Lord revealed the following to Moses…”
Posted in Mormon Dilemmas, tagged agency of man, bible, false doctrines, Jesus, Life Before, mormonism, pre-existence, salvation on 12/08/2011| 2 Comments »
The Creation of Man
Life Before, pg. 91; “God gave his children their free agency even in the spirit world, by which the individual spirits had the privilege, just as men have here, of choosing the good and rejecting the evil, or partaking of the evil to suffer the consequences of their sins. Because of this, some even there were more faithful than others in keeping the commandments of the Lord. Some were of greater intelligence than others, as we find it here, and were honored accordingly….The spirits of men were not equal. They may have had an equal start, and we know they were all innocent in the beginning; but the right of free agency which was given to them enabled some to outstrip others…” – Brent Top
Posted in Mormon Dilemmas, tagged bible, Book of Mormon, creation of man, eternal, eternity, false gospel, false teachers, God, Jesus, man is eternal, Mormon dilemma, pre-existence, salvation on 09/24/2011| 1 Comment »
Mormon Dilemma 67
Pre-existence and Creation of Man
Today’s dilemma is quite evident for the Christians. For the Mormons this is just another example of why there is a dilemma. One teacher proclaims one thing and another teacher or prophet proclaims just the opposite.
Posted in Mormon Terminology, tagged another gospel, Book of Mormon, false doctrine, false gospel, godhood, Jesus, many gods, Mormon terminology, pre-existence, pre-mortal life, salvation on 09/17/2011| Leave a Comment »
Pre-mortal life/Pre-existence
The Mormon believes that he/she existed in spirit form before the earth was created and is co-eternal with God Himself. They also believe they came into existence through a sexual union between their Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother.
Posted in August, Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged bible, elohim, false doctrine, false teachers, godhood, Jesus, LDS, many gods, mormonism, polytheism, pre-existence on 08/22/2011| 1 Comment »
August 22 – Job 38:4-6; “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof.”
Posted in Mormon Dilemmas, tagged bible, blacks, created vs. organized, false doctrine, false prophet, Jesus, joseph smith, mormonism, negroes, Orson Pratt, Pearl of Great Price, pre-existence, salvation, spirit babies, spirit is eternal on 07/01/2011| 1 Comment »
Human Spirit is Eternal
Mormonism teaches that the human spirit is eternal. (Moses 3:7, 4:1-2) If this is the case then how is it one spirit can be less intelligent because of their choices made in the pre-existence with the Heavenly Father of this earth if they were already in existence before he spiritually begat them? Wouldn’t it stand to reason the intelligence of that spirit had always been the way they are? Why then would they be punished for this on earth with a black skin?
Posted in Mormon Dilemmas, tagged bible, Brigham Young, choosing your parents, false doctrines, Jesus, Joseph Fielding Smith, Mormon Dilemmas, mormonism, pre-existence, salvation, spirit babies on 07/01/2011| 2 Comments »
Do Pre-existent Spirit Babies Choose Their Parents?
When I was a Mormon I was taught that I had chosen the earthly parents I would be born to while I was still a spirit in the pre-existence. This teaching always made me wonder just how trustworthy the doctrines of the Church were if this was true.
Posted in June, Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged 1st Corinthians, bible, false doctrine, false gospel, Jesus, joseph smith, mormonism, Pearl of Great Price, pre-existence, pre-mortal life of man, reincarnation, salvation, Witnessing tips for Mormons on 06/03/2011| Leave a Comment »
June 3 – 1 Cor. 15:46-7; “Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”
Posted in Thought of the Day about Mormonism, tagged bible, born again, false gospel, false prophet, gospel of John, Jesus, joseph smith, mormonism, pre-existence, salvation on 05/22/2011| 1 Comment »
Posted in Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged angel of light, bible, Book of Abraham, Book of Moses, false doctrine, false prophet, false teachings, freedom, God incarnate, grace, Jesus, joseph smith, lds church, lies, Lucifer, mormonism, Pearl of Great Price, pre-existence, Reedemer, rest for your soul, salvation, Savior, Teachngs of the Prophet Joseph Smith, truth, works vs. grace on 02/17/2011| Leave a Comment »
February 17 – Hebrews 1:5 is clear about what God said in relation to angels and Jesus Christ. “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, THOU ART MY SON, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE? And again, I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON?”
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Mormons believe that Jesus and Lucifer are literally spiritually begotten by God and the Heavenly Mother. Ask them what they think about this verse.
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“The contention in heaven was-Jesus said there would be certain souls that would not be saved; and the devil said he could save them all, and laid his plans before the grand council, who gave their vote in favor of Jesus Christ. So the devil rose up in rebellion against God, and was cast down, with all who put up their heads for him”. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 357.
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