June 3 – Pre-existence is the Mormon version of reincarnation. 1 Cor. 15:46-47; “Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”
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Tip of the Day, June 3
Posted in June, Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 4:216, pre-existence, reincarnation on 06/03/2017| Leave a Comment »
Questions Mormons ask to draw you into Mormonism part 3
Posted in Mormonism, tagged 51 questions that might lead you to Mormonism, cult, false doctrines of Mormonism, Mormon missionaries, pre-existence on 04/04/2017| Leave a Comment »
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Today we’ll cover questions 5 and 6 of our ongoing series based on the article, ‘51 questions that might lead you to Mormonism’.
Question 5:
“Did we live as pre mortal spirits before we came to earth? (Jer 1:5, Job 38:7)”
Short answer – No, we didn’t.
Choosing to Righteously Reject Pre-existence
Posted in pre-existence, tagged Choices, General Conference October 1988, pre-existence, Robert D. Hales on 02/21/2017| Leave a Comment »
Isaiah 44:24; “Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, And he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; That stretcheth forth the heavens alone; That spreadeth abroad the earth by myself.”
General Conference, ‘Making Righteous Choices at the Crossroads of Life,’ October 1988
“Indeed, you and I have a plan to guide us in our lives—the eternal plan that was given to us in the premortal world and that will bring us back into the presence of our Heavenly Father.” – Robert D. Hales
Tip of the Day February 17
Posted in Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged brothers, Jesus, pre-existence, Satan on 02/17/2017| Leave a Comment »
February 17 – Hebrews 1:5 is clear about what God said in relation to angels and Jesus Christ. “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, THOU ART MY SON, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE? And again, I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON?”
Witnessing Tip February 16
Posted in Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged false doctrines of Mormonism, Hinduism, pre-existence, reincarnation on 02/16/2017| Leave a Comment »
February 16 – Mormonism mimics Hinduism. 1 Corinthians 15:47; “The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven”.
Witnessing Tip of the Day January 2
Posted in Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged Contradictions in Mormon doctrines, pre-existence, Proverbs 30:4 on 01/02/2017| Leave a Comment »
January 2 – Smith’s preexistence contradictions. Proverbs 30:4; “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?”
Family and Heavenly Councils
Posted in General Conference April 2016, pre-existence, tagged false apostle of Mormonism, false doctrines of Mormonism, family council in heaven, General Conference April 2016, M. Russell Ballard, pre-existence on 04/30/2016| 1 Comment »
Psalm 75:6-7; “For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south. 7 But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.”
Today we’re looking at the Sovereignty of God!
As a Mormon I had never heard of such a thing, and always believed I was in heaven with God and everyone else before the world was created. This for me, was one of the most shocking discoveries when I left Mormonism.
This is why we’re looking at Mr. Ballard’s talk. All the claims he made here are lies.
General Conference, ‘Family Councils,’ Saturday Afternoon Session, April 2, 2016; “Family councils have always been needed. They are, in fact, eternal. We belonged to a family council in the premortal existence, when we lived with our heavenly parents as their spirit children. …
Witnessing Tip of the Day January 28
Posted in Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, Bruce McConkie, everlasting covenant, false apostle of Mormonism, Men are not born equal, pre-existence, witnessing tip of the day on 01/28/2016| Leave a Comment »
January 28 – Chosen seed. 1 Chronicles 16:13, 17; “O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones. 17 And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant.”
Spirit of Man Contaminated Upon Birth
Posted in False Prophecies of the Mormon Church, pre-existence, tagged false doctrines of Mormonism, Orson Pratt, pre-existence, spirit children, The Seer on 01/16/2016| Leave a Comment »
The Seer, “The Pre-existence of Man,” Vol. 1, No. 7, July, 1853, p. 98; “Spirits, though pure and innocent, before they entered the body, would become contaminated by entering a fallen tabernacle; not contaminated by their own sins, but by their connection with a body brought into the world by the fall, earthly, fallen, imperfect, and corrupt in its nature. A spirit, having entered such a tabernacle, though it may commit no personal sin, is unfit to return again into the presence of a holy Being. . .” – Orson Pratt, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
Adam and Polygamy in the Pre-existence
Posted in Mormon Dilemmas, tagged Adam-God, Brigham Young, false prophet, polygamy, pre-existence on 06/09/2015| Leave a Comment »
Journal of Discourses 16:167-168; “When Father Adam came to assist in organizing the earth out of the crude material that was found, an earth was made upon which the children of men could live. After the earth was
prepared Father Adam came and stayed here, and there was a woman brought to him. Now I am telling you something that many of you know, it has been told to you, and the brethren and sisters should understand it. There was a certain woman brought to Father Adam whose name was Eve, because she was the first woman, and she was given to him to be his wife; I am not disposed to give any farther knowledge concerning her at present. There is no doubt but that he left many companions. The great and glorious doctrine that pertains to this I have not time to dwell upon; neither should I at present if I had time. He understood this whole machinery or system before he came to this earth; and I hope my brethren and sisters will profit by what I have told them.” – Brigham Young, Paris, Idaho, August 31, 1873
Tip of the Day, March 25
Posted in March, Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged Chastity by Mark Petersen, elohim, false doctrines, false gospel of Mormonism, Mormon god brought his own race upon the earth, Mormon heavenly father and mother, pre-existence on 03/25/2015| Leave a Comment »
March 25 – John 4:24 says “God is a spirit and those that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth”.
Witnessing Tip of the Day January 11
Posted in January, Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged Council in Heaven, false doctrines of Mormonism, Genesis 21:12, Mormon Doctrine p 589, pre-existence on 01/11/2015| Leave a Comment »
Genesis 21:12; “And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.”
Romans 9:7; “Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.”
Hebrews 11:18; “Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called”.
Mormon Dilemma 881 Creating Eternal Spirit Babies
Posted in Mormon Dilemmas, tagged 1 Cor 15:44-47, bible, creating spirit babies, David Bednar, Ensign May 2013, false doctrines of Mormonism, goddesses, godhood, LDS apostle, pre-existence on 03/13/2014| Leave a Comment »
Ensign, “We Believe in Being Chaste”, May 2013; “The eternal importance of chastity can only be understood within the overarching context of our Heavenly Father’s plan of happiness for His children. “All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and … has a divine nature and destiny” (“The Family: A Proclamation to the World,” Ensign or Liahona, Nov. 2010, 129). All men and women lived with God as His spirit children before coming to the earth as mortal beings. The Father’s plan enables His spirit sons and daughters to obtain physical bodies, to gain mortal experience, and to progress toward exaltation.” – LDS apostle David Bednar
2014 LDS Teachings of Joseph Fielding Smith
Posted in Teachings of Joseph Fielding Smith, tagged bible, exalted man, false prophet, Mormon god, pre-existence, sexually begotten spirit children on 01/10/2014| 1 Comment »
Every Sunday Mormons attend a three hour block of meetings consisting of three separate classes/meetings. Those three hour blocks include a Relief Society or Priesthood Meeting, Sunday school and Sacrament Meeting, (their form of a worship service).
And every year the Church switches out what is being taught in the Relief Society or Priesthood meetings as well as the Sunday school classes. The Church dictates what is taught and doesn’t allow any teaching from outside resources to be used whatsoever. Teachers are mandated to only use authorized material supplied by the Church, meaning no history books, no newspapers, internet, et al.
False Prophecies of Mormonism Lucifer and Jesus in Pre-existence
Posted in False Prophecies of the Mormon Church, tagged bible, false doctrines of Mormonism, Jesus, Jesus and Lucifer are brothers, Jesus chosen as savior, Lucifer lost election for savior, Ogden Kraut, polygamy, pre-existence, Wilford Woodruff's journal on 11/25/2013| Leave a Comment »
Excerpts of Wilford Woodruff’s Journal, pg 55; “July 27, 1851, Sermon on Sunday: Sunday I attended meeting. We had a good day. Brother Kimball addressed the meeting a part of the day. Among other remarks he said Jesus Christ was the first born of the Father and He was the candidate and elected to redeem the world. Lucifer sat up as a candidate to run against Jesus Christ, but he was overcome and thrust down to Hell with all that followed him. And we will have no more division henceforth and forever in Israel. We will have but one candidate for office but no opposition. All will be elected and proven. If a person is qualified to fill a greater station than he holds, he will have a chance.” – Wilford Woodruff
False Prophecies of Mormonism Non-valiant Spirits are Black
Posted in False Prophecies of the Mormon Church, tagged Acts 7:25, bible, blacks are cursed, blacks not valiant, false doctrines of Mormonism, Jesus, Mormon priesthood, pre-existence on 10/25/2013| Leave a Comment »
Conference Report, April 1939, Second Day – Morning Meeting, pg 59; “PUNISHMENT OF THOSE NOT VALIANT. The negro is an unfortunate man. He has been given a black skin. But that is as nothing compared with that greater handicap that he is not permitted to receive the Priesthood and the ordinances of the temple, necessary to prepare men and women to enter into and enjoy a fulness of glory in the celestial kingdom. What is the reason…We are told that Michael and his angels fought, and we understand that we stood with Christ our Lord, on the platform, “Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever.” I cannot conceive our Father consigning his children to a condition such as that of the negro race, if they had been valiant in the spirit world in that war in heaven…Somewhere along the line were these spirits, indifferent perhaps, and possibly neutral in the war.” – George F. Richards
Mormon Dilemma 743
Posted in Mormon Dilemmas, tagged Ensign April 1985, false doctrines of Mormonism, Jesus, Jesus chosen as savior, Marion Romney, pre-existence, resurrection, salvation on 10/16/2013| 1 Comment »
Resurrection
Ensign, “The Resurrection of Jesus Christ”, April 1985; “Our belief is, and we so testify, that Jesus not only conquered death for himself and brought forth his own glorious resurrected body, but that in so doing he also brought about a universal resurrection. This was the end and purpose of the mission for which he was set apart and ordained in the great council in heaven, when he was chosen to be our Savior and Redeemer.” – Marion Romney
Mormon Dilemma 737
Posted in Mormon Dilemmas, tagged BYU Devotional address 1975, false doctrines of Mormonism, God formed man, man is created, Man is immortal, perfection, pre-existence, Psalm 139:13, Spencer W. Kimball on 10/10/2013| Leave a Comment »
Irrational Perfection & Fake Promises
“Be Ye Therefore Perfect,” Devotional Address, Salt Lake Institute of Religion, 10 Jan. 1975, pg 2; “We made vows, solemn vows, in the heavens before we came to this mortal life. …
We have made covenants. We made them before we accepted our position here on the earth.…
False Prophecies of Mormonism Pre-existence Confusion
Posted in False Prophecies of the Mormon Church, tagged bible, D&C 93:23, False Prophecies of Joseph Smith, Jacob 4:9, Jesus, no pre-existence in Book of Mormon, pre-existence on 09/11/2013| Leave a Comment »
Jacob 4:9; “For behold, by the power of his word man came upon the face of the earth, which earth was created by the power of his word. Wherefore, if God being able to speak and the world was, and to speak and man was created, O then, why not able to command the earth, or the workmanship of his hands upon the face of it, according to his will and pleasure?”
False Prophecies of Mormonism, War in Heaven
Posted in False Prophecies of the Mormon Church, tagged Adam is Michael, council of gods, Jesus created, Lucifer offered to be redeemer, pre-existence, War in Heaven on 07/08/2013| Leave a Comment »
War in Heaven
Encyclopedia of Mormonism, pg 1546; “To “bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (Moses 1:39), God the Father instituted the eternal Plan of Salvation…the plan was formally presented to the spirit children of God at a Council in Heaven. “Whom shall I send?” (Abr. 3:27) was the Father’s call for someone to be the redeemer. His eldest Son (D&C 93:21; Col. 1:15), known also as Jehovah…officially accepted this role and responded, “Here am I, send me” (Abr. 3:27)…
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