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February 17 – Hebrews 1:5 is clear in relation to what God said about angels and Jesus Christ. “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, THOU ART MY SON, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE?  And again, I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON?” (more…)

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January 8 — Free Agency. Joshua 24:14-15; “Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD. 15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” (more…)

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General Conference, ‘Trust in the Lord and Lean Not,’ April 2017 “Remember, in our premortal life we stood with the Savior. We trusted Him. We voiced our support, enthusiasm, and joy for the plan of happiness set forth by our Heavenly Father. We leaned not. We fought with our testimonies and “aligned ourselves with the forces of God, and those forces were victorious.” This battle between good and evil has moved to earth. Once again we have the sacred responsibility to stand as a witness and put our trust in the Lord.” — Bonnie H. Cordon, Young Women’s President (more…)

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November 15 – Who has descended from heaven? John 3:13 “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”

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October 9 – Birth of polytheism in LDS Church. 1 Corinthians 15:45-47; “And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.  Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”

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June 3 – Pre-existence is the Mormon version of reincarnation. 1 Cor. 15:46-47; “Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”

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Today we’ll cover questions 5 and 6 of our ongoing series based on the article, ‘51 questions that might lead you to Mormonism’.

Question 5:

“Did we live as pre mortal spirits before we came to earth? (Jer 1:5, Job 38:7)”

Short answer – No, we didn’t.

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Isaiah 44:24; “Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, And he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; That stretcheth forth the heavens alone; That spreadeth abroad the earth by myself.”

salt lake mormon temple 2 General Conference, ‘Making Righteous Choices at the Crossroads of Life,’ October 1988

“Indeed, you and I have a plan to guide us in our lives—the eternal plan that was given to us in the premortal world and that will bring us back into the presence of our Heavenly Father.” – Robert D. Hales

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witnessing-tip-of-the-day-020217 February 17 – Hebrews 1:5 is clear about what God said in relation to angels and Jesus Christ.  “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, THOU ART MY SON, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE?  And again, I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON?”

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witnessing-tip-of-the-day-12617 February 16 – Mormonism mimics Hinduism. 1 Corinthians 15:47; “The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven”.

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January2 January 2 – Smith’s preexistence contradictions. Proverbs 30:4; “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?”

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Psalm 75:6-7; “For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south. 7 But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.”

Today we’re looking at the Sovereignty of God!

As a Mormon I had never heard of such a thing, and always believed I was in heaven with God and everyone else before the world was created. This for me, was one of the most shocking discoveries when I left Mormonism.

mormon-council-heavenThis is why we’re looking at Mr. Ballard’s talk. All the claims he made here are lies.

General Conference, ‘Family Councils,’ Saturday Afternoon Session, April 2, 2016; “Family councils have always been needed. They are, in fact, eternal. We belonged to a family council in the premortal existence, when we lived with our heavenly parents as their spirit children. …

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January2January 28 – Chosen seed. 1 Chronicles 16:13, 17; “O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones. 17 And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant.”

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The SeerThe Seer, “The Pre-existence of Man,” Vol. 1, No. 7, July, 1853, p. 98; “Spirits, though pure and innocent, before they entered the body, would become contaminated by entering a fallen tabernacle; not contaminated by their own sins, but by their connection with a body brought into the world by the fall, earthly, fallen, imperfect, and corrupt in its nature.  A spirit, having entered such a tabernacle, though it may commit no personal sin, is unfit to return again into the presence of a holy Being. . .” – Orson Pratt, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

 

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Mormon Decisions 10Journal of Discourses 16:167-168; “When Father Adam came to assist in organizing the earth out of the crude material that was found, an earth was made upon which the children of men could live. After the earth wasbrigham young prepared Father Adam came and stayed here, and there was a woman brought to him. Now I am telling you something that many of you know, it has been told to you, and the brethren and sisters should understand it. There was a certain woman brought to Father Adam whose name was Eve, because she was the first woman, and she was given to him to be his wife; I am not disposed to give any farther knowledge concerning her at present. There is no doubt but that he left many companions. The great and glorious doctrine that pertains to this I have not time to dwell upon; neither should I at present if I had time. He understood this whole machinery or system before he came to this earth; and I hope my brethren and sisters will profit by what I have told them.” – Brigham Young, Paris, Idaho, August 31, 1873

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March 25 – John 4:24 says “God is a spirit and those that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth”.

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Council-Heaven-MormonGenesis 21:12; “And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.”

Romans 9:7; “Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.”

 Hebrews 11:18; “Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called”.

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Mormon Decisions 10Ensign, “We Believe in Being Chaste”, May 2013; “The eternal importance of chastity can only be understood within the overarching context of our Heavenly Father’s plan of happiness for His children. “All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and … has a divine nature and destiny” (“The Family: A Proclamation to the World,” Ensign or Liahona, Nov. 2010, 129). All men and women lived with God as His spirit children before coming to the earth as mortal beings. The Father’s plan enables His spirit sons and daughters to obtain physical bodies, to gain mortal experience, and to progress toward exaltation.” – LDS apostle David Bednar

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teachings-presidents-joseph-fielding-smithEvery Sunday Mormons attend a three hour block of meetings consisting of three separate classes/meetings.  Those three hour blocks include a Relief Society or Priesthood Meeting, Sunday school and Sacrament Meeting, (their form of a worship service).

And every year the Church switches out what is being taught in the Relief Society or Priesthood meetings as well as the Sunday school classes.  The Church dictates what is taught and doesn’t allow any teaching from outside resources to be used whatsoever. Teachers are mandated to only use authorized material supplied by the Church, meaning no history books, no newspapers, internet, et al.

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salt lake mormon temple 2Excerpts of Wilford Woodruff’s Journal, pg 55; “July 27, 1851, Sermon on Sunday: Sunday I attended meeting. We had a good day. Brother Kimball addressed the meeting a part of the day. Among other remarks he said Jesus Christ was the first born of the Father and He was the candidate and elected to redeem the world. Lucifer sat up as a candidate to run against Jesus Christ, but he was overcome and thrust down to Hell with all that followed him. And we will have no more division henceforth and forever in Israel. We will have but one candidate for office but no opposition. All will be elected and proven. If a person is qualified to fill a greater station than he holds, he will have a chance.” – Wilford Woodruff

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