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 October 27 – Who’s the Father of the Mormon God? 1 Corinthians 15:44-47 “It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth,  earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.” (more…)

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June 2 – LDS Pre-existence is  Reincarnation. 1 Cor. 15:46-47; “Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”

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Plan of Salvation

 “In the premortal existence, Heavenly Father prepared a plan to enable us to become like Him and receive a fulness of joy. The scriptures refer to this plan as “the plan of salvation” (Alma 24:14; Moses 6:62), “the great plan of happiness” (Alma 42:8), “the plan of redemption” (Jacob 6:8; Alma 12:30), and “the plan of mercy” (Alma 42:15). The plan of salvation is the fulness of the gospel. It includes the Creation, the Fall, the Atonement of Jesus Christ, and all the laws, ordinances, and doctrines of the gospel. Moral agency, the ability to choose and act for ourselves, is also essential in Heavenly Father’s plan. Because of this plan, we can be perfected through the Atonement, receive a fulness of joy, and live forever in the presence of God. Our family relationships can last throughout the eternities.” – LDS Gospel Topics, Plan of Salvation

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 January 8 — Free Agency. Joshua 24:14-15 “Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD. 15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” (more…)

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 November 15 – Who has Descended from Heaven? John 3:13 “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”

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June 2 – Pre-existence is Today’s Reincarnation. 1 Cor. 15:46-47; “Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”

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 October 27 – 11th Prophet’s Missing Teachings. 1 Corinthians 15:44-47 “It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth,  earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”

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11th President of the Church — Harold B. Lee — Served from 1972–1973

Mormon canon is replete with specific names for God and Jesus. Ask the Mormon if their god had a father, what is his name? If we were all living in heaven with God before creation, where are the Mormon scriptures with details of our heavenly grandfather’s identity?

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Harold B. Lee, Prophet & Seer, p. 542 “Who are you? You are all the sons and daughters of God. Your spirits were created and lived as organized intelligences before the world was. You have been blessed to have a physical body because of your obedience to certain commandments in that premortal state.”

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Today we’re looking at a couple of sermons Brigham delivered over a 4 month period of time. I noticed the discrepancies while working on another project several months ago.

Journal of Discourses 4:54We are of the earth, earthy; and our Father is heavenly and pure. But we will be glorified and purified, if we obey our brethren and the teachings which are given.” — Brigham Young, Great Salt Lake City, September 21, 1856

  • 1 Corinthians 15:47 ‘The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.’
  • Romans 8:30 “Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.”

Four months later… (more…)

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“What is man, that thou art mindful of him? And the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5  For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, And hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; Thou hast put all things under his feet”. Psalm 8:4-6

 Today we’re looking at a Mormon belief that’s not only a contradiction, and plagiarism, but an obvious false doctrine as well. We originally posted this back in 2011.

Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15 “The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind. At the great council he proposed a new plan of salvation, event, the Lord revealed the following to Moses…” — Milton Hunter (more…)

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 June 3 – Pre-existence is the Mormon version of reincarnation. 1 Cor. 15:46-47; “Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”

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February 17 – Hebrews 1:5 is clear in relation to what God said about angels and Jesus Christ. “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, THOU ART MY SON, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE?  And again, I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON?” (more…)

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January 8 — Free Agency. Joshua 24:14-15; “Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD. 15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” (more…)

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General Conference, ‘Trust in the Lord and Lean Not,’ April 2017 “Remember, in our premortal life we stood with the Savior. We trusted Him. We voiced our support, enthusiasm, and joy for the plan of happiness set forth by our Heavenly Father. We leaned not. We fought with our testimonies and “aligned ourselves with the forces of God, and those forces were victorious.” This battle between good and evil has moved to earth. Once again we have the sacred responsibility to stand as a witness and put our trust in the Lord.” — Bonnie H. Cordon, Young Women’s President (more…)

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November 15 – Who has descended from heaven? John 3:13 “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”

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October 9 – Birth of polytheism in LDS Church. 1 Corinthians 15:45-47; “And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.  Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”

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June 3 – Pre-existence is the Mormon version of reincarnation. 1 Cor. 15:46-47; “Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”

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Today we’ll cover questions 5 and 6 of our ongoing series based on the article, ‘51 questions that might lead you to Mormonism’.

Question 5:

“Did we live as pre mortal spirits before we came to earth? (Jer 1:5, Job 38:7)”

Short answer – No, we didn’t.

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Isaiah 44:24; “Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, And he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; That stretcheth forth the heavens alone; That spreadeth abroad the earth by myself.”

salt lake mormon temple 2 General Conference, ‘Making Righteous Choices at the Crossroads of Life,’ October 1988

“Indeed, you and I have a plan to guide us in our lives—the eternal plan that was given to us in the premortal world and that will bring us back into the presence of our Heavenly Father.” – Robert D. Hales

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witnessing-tip-of-the-day-020217 February 17 – Hebrews 1:5 is clear about what God said in relation to angels and Jesus Christ.  “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, THOU ART MY SON, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE?  And again, I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON?”

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witnessing-tip-of-the-day-12617 February 16 – Mormonism mimics Hinduism. 1 Corinthians 15:47; “The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven”.

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