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Tip of the Day, February 25

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February 25 – “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God; And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even death of the cross.” Phil. 2:5-6, 8.

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There are actually two subjects to notice with this verse. Explain the word “robbery” to the Mormon. In the Greek, it means “grasped”. The other subject is the belief that Jesus had to perform, or work, to receive His salvation.

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“If a man gets a fullness of the priesthood of God he has to get it in the same way that Jesus Christ obtained it, and that was by keeping all the commandments and obeying all the ordinances of the house of the Lord.” Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 308

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Tip of the Day, February 24

Posted in Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged 8 years old, age of accountability, bible, Doctrine and Covenants, fall of man, false gospel, false prophet, false teacher, Garden, Genesis, God, Jesus, joseph smith, lds church, mormonism, nature of man, of Eden, original sin, Redeemer, salvation, Savior, truth on 02/24/2011| Leave a Comment »

February 24 – “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God”. Romans 3:23.

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Not one Mormon believes that children can sin. They baptize at the age of eight to be cleansed from their sins because this is when they believe you become accountable for your actions. Have a Mormon try to explain away a two-year-old child’s behavior. Also ask them why they’d have to be baptized for a remission of sins if they were perfect up until they got baptized.

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D&C 29:47-8; “Wherefore, they cannot sin, for power is not given unto Satan to tempt little children, until they begin to become accountable before me; For it is given unto them even as I will, according to mine own pleasure, that great things may be required at the hands of their fathers”.

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Tip of the Day, February 23

Posted in Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged angel of light, another Christ, another gospel, another Jesus, another testament, bible, Book of Mormon, false doctrine, false gospel, false prophet, false teacher, freedom, Galatians, grace, Jesus, joseph smith, lds church, Moroni, salvation, Savior, truth on 02/23/2011| Leave a Comment »

February 23 – Galatians 1:8 says; “But if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed”.

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Seems evident from this verse that there are no other gospels or testimonies from anyone no matter what they say! The front of the Book of Mormon now says that it is “Another Testament of Jesus Christ”. Ask your Mormon friend what his thoughts are about this predicament.

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Joseph Smith said; “Take away the Book of Mormon and the revelations, and where is our religion? We have none”. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 71. In other words, there is nothing inside of this religion that has anything to do with Jesus Christ.

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Tip of the Day, February 21

Posted in Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged angel of light, bible, Deuteronomy, false doctrine, false prophet, false teachings, freedom, God, grace, history of the Mormon Church, Jesus, joseph smith, lds church, mormonism, Mosaic Law, Savior, Shepherd, truth on 02/21/2011| Leave a Comment »

February 21 – God warns us about false prophets in Deut. 13:6-9; “If thy brother, the son of they mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou has no known, thou, nor thy father; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him…”

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It seems clear how serious God was in regards to false prophets. He wanted none of them to survive, and He certainly didn’t want us to pity them. We are told not to listen at all to them.

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Joseph Smith seemed to believe that he could slip out of his self-proclaimed prophet-hood anytime he chose to do so. Is this reasonable considering all we’ve learned just this year? He is quoted in Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith as follows; “…I told them that a prophet was a prophet only when he was acting as such”. History of the Church 5:265

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Tip of the Day, February 20

Posted in Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged assurance of salvation, faithful, false doctrine, false prophet, forgiven, forgiveness, forgiveness of sin, grace, Jesus, joseph smith, King David, lds church, Miracle of Forgiveness, no assurance in Mormonism, peace, ransom for sins, salvation, Savior, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Works for salvation on 02/20/2011| Leave a Comment »

February 20 – Col. 2:13; “And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses”.

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In Mormonism, God does not forgive three sins. They are blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, apostasy and murder. With this in mind, isn’t it odd that God would choose Paul of all people to preach the gospel when he participated in Stephen’s martyrdom and then there’s David…

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“A murderer, for instance, one that sheds innocent blood, cannot have forgiveness. David sought repentance at the hand of God carefully with tears, for the murder of Uriah; but he could only get it through hell…Although David was a king, he never did obtain the spirit and power of Elijah and the fullness of the Priesthood…the throne and kingdom of David is to be taken from him and given to another by the name of David in the last days…” Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg 339.

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Tip of the Day, February 19

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February 19 – The word or name Adam is translated in the Hebrew as meaning the first man, or ruddy, from the ground. Gen. 2:19.

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Joseph Smith taught that man’s spirit was sexually begotten by God before he came to earth. He also taught that Adam was actually Michael the angel, and Noah was Gabriel.

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D&C 107:54; “And the Lord appeared unto them, and they rose up and blessed Adam, and called him Michael, the prince, the archangel.”

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Tip of the Day, February 17

Posted in Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged angel of light, bible, Book of Abraham, Book of Moses, false doctrine, false prophet, false teachings, freedom, God incarnate, grace, Jesus, joseph smith, lds church, lies, Lucifer, mormonism, Pearl of Great Price, pre-existence, Reedemer, rest for your soul, salvation, Savior, Teachngs of the Prophet Joseph Smith, truth, works vs. grace on 02/17/2011| Leave a Comment »

February 17 – Hebrews 1:5 is clear about what God said in relation to angels and Jesus Christ. “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, THOU ART MY SON, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE? And again, I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON?”

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Mormons believe that Jesus and Lucifer are literally spiritually begotten by God and the Heavenly Mother. Ask them what they think about this verse.

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“The contention in heaven was-Jesus said there would be certain souls that would not be saved; and the devil said he could save them all, and laid his plans before the grand council, who gave their vote in favor of Jesus Christ. So the devil rose up in rebellion against God, and was cast down, with all who put up their heads for him”. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 357.

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Tip of the Day, February 4

Posted in Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged bible, false gospel, false prophet, freedom, God incarnate, godhood, grace, Jesus, joseph smith, Joseph Smith Translation, Mormon doctrine, mormonism, polytheism, Redeemer, Savior, truth on 02/04/2011| Leave a Comment »

February 4 – John 1:1, 14; “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth”.

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It’s always important to pay close attention to the wording of contracts, bosses, parents or anything else that is in authority in your life. You may miss a key element that could cost you millions of dollars, cost you your freedom or ultimately your own salvation.

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Joseph Smith’s ‘New Translation’ of the Bible says in John 1:1, 14; “In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God. And the same word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth”.

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Tip of the Day, February 3

Posted in Witnessing Tip of the Day, tagged body of Christ, Christianity, Doctrine and Covenants, false gospel, false prophet, freedom, gospel, grace, Jesus Christ, joseph smith, lie, Messiah, mormonism, Redeemer, salvation, salvation through LDS prophet, Savior, truth on 02/03/2011| Leave a Comment »

February 3 – We find salvation in no one else but through our Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 4:12 says; “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved”.

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For the Mormon there is a list of people holding the keys of salvation. At the top of this list is their heavenly father, then Jesus, then Adam, Joseph Smith and next in line is the living prophet. If you happen to be a woman in the church you will also have your husband to answer to.

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“The President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints holds the keys of salvation for all men now living because he is the only one by whose authorization the sealing power of the priesthood can be used to seal men up to salvation and exaltation in the kingdom of God. (D&C 132:7).”

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Studying the Book of Mormon 12

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Studying the Book of Mormon 12

“To generalize is to be an idiot” – William Blake

Mormon 5:7; “And it came to pass that we did again take to flight, and those whose flight was swifter than the Lamanites’ did escape, and those whose flight did not exceed the Lamanites’ were swept down and destroyed.”

With those two things in mind, let’s take a quick look at what other people have said and done in history.

389 AD – St. Patrick is born

400 AD – Niall is first man called king of Ireland

405 AD – Jerome completes the Vulgate

410 AD – Visigoths sack Rome

410 AD – trousers are introduced replacing togas and in China stirrups are invented making it easier to ride horses

413 AD – St. Augustine writes City of God

415 AD – Jews are expelled from Alexandria

September 30, 420 AD – Jerome dies peacefully in Bethlehem while working on his commentary of Ezekiel.

February 8, 421 AD – Constantius III becomes co-Emperor of Western Roman Empire

September 2, 421 AD – Constantius III dies

422 AD – The walls of The Colosseum crack during an earthquake

439 AD – Vandals conquer Carthage

These events in fifty years of history around the time of Moroni can be verified with the assurance they surely took place. Names of people, cities they lived in, inventions, and books they may have written can be verified through archaeological evidences or historical events documented through time. (1)

Why is it we can’t find any archaeological evidence from the Book of Mormon? Nothing, and I do mean nothing, has ever been found to authenticate the claims made by Joseph Smith.

The past few months have proven themselves to be an interesting time of discovery during our studies. What we have unearthed hasn’t cast a favorable light on the writings of Joseph Smith.

We’ve found that Nephi and Lehi’s claims of being persecuted by the Jews in Jerusalem in 600 BC were nothing more than a far-fetched story etched in the mind of Joseph Smith.

The probability of the Jaredites actually sailing across the Atlantic in 2200 BC is virtually incalculable and the Tower of Babel story was off by more than a thousand years.

One thing I wish I would’ve done is to count the number of false prophecies, alas; we’ll leave that for another day. Suffice it to say there are more than a few.

Moroni is the last prophet in the line of the Nephites and his book carries the title of his name. In essence he is sharing a letter his father wrote to him of a long drawn out farewell to his son and other Nephites clearly stating he knew no one would see the sacred writings of his forefathers in the centuries to come. It’s just a little too coincidental and convenient.

Smith has set up for himself a fail proof prophecy by trying to prove that he is the appointed one spoken of by Moroni some fourteen hundred years earlier.

The book of Moroni reminded me of a self pity party gone bad. Interspersed with the woe-is-me psyche, the first six chapters are filled with instructions of how to administer the elements, ordination procedures of priests/teachers, baptismal rituals and consequences for sin.

Chapters 6 through 8 are filled with half quotes lifted from the Bible and in chapter 9 we see one of the hallmarks in Smith’s thought process. It is clear after you’ve studied the Mormon religion that it’s been built upon two things. Those two indicating factors are sex and godhood status.

Moroni 9:9;

“…For behold, many of the daughters of the Lamanites have they taken prisoners; and after depriving them of that which was most dear and precious above all things, which is chastity and virtue—”

Aside from the racist view of non-whites, this is the most offensive teaching found in the Book of Mormon. How do you deprive someone of being chaste or virtuous? You can’t force someone to lie, nor can you force someone to be an honorable person. The only way one could interpret this verse is to understand your virginity is more important than all other things. You are ruined and worthless in the eyes of God if you’re a victim of rape. This is particularly bad for women in Utah. The rate of rape in Utah is always higher than the national average and it’s been that way for decades now. See our article on vital stats in Utah here http://www.lifeafter.org/stats2008a.asp

Imagine how 33% of the women in Utah feel while sitting in a Sacrament meeting reading that. Good job Mr. Smith.

I cannot understand how any Mormon could find hope for their tired soul anywhere in Moroni, let alone the Book of Mormon. Sadly, we’ve found that Mormons have a voracious appetite in defending this work and I’m left to wonder if they’ve even bothered to read it.

One of the main problems with the Book of Mormon is the glaring lack of a dictionary enabling us to gain a full understanding of Reformed Egyptian.

To complicate matters even further, the teachings from the last two chapters of Moroni don’t correspond with basic tenets found within Mormonism. Grace, the Trinity and final judgment after death are all foreign concepts to the Mormon. It’s obvious these teachings and words have been incorporated into the text to confuse members, making it sound biblical.

The infamous “burning in the bosom” passage is located in Moroni 10:3-5 which boldly contradicts what the Bible says in Jeremiah 17:9.

Moroni 10:3-5; “Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts. 4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. 5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.”

Jeremiah 17:9; “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”

Below you’ll find basic statistics about the book of Moroni pointing out errors, false prophecies, grammatical problems, Greek and Latin words in the Book of Mormon and noteworthy teachings.

Think about this while you look at the statistical info below.

If God is perfect, why would he use poor grammar in the Book of Mormon?

If Joseph Smith was truly a prophet of God then why did he announce that he used no Greek or Latin words in the Book of Mormon?

If the Book of Mormon is true when it states God is the same from everlasting to everlasting, how do you explain that God was once a man?

If the Nephites truly lived in the fifth century, why were they using phrases from the Bible that was written on a different continent four hundred years earlier?

If you’re a member of the LDS Church, know that we pray for you every single day. My heart is heavy knowing the struggle it is to be a Mormon. I lived that life for 30 years. There are questions that need to be answered about the Book of Mormon and it’s your right to have your questions answered honestly.

If the Book of Mormon doesn’t line up with basic common sense regarding historical, grammatical and biblical investigation then you need to know so that you can make an intelligent decision in what you want to do. Worshipping the wrong god has serious consequences in the hereafter.

With Love in Christ;

Michelle Grim

1 Cor. 1:18

FALSE PROPHECIES

5:2

8:10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 22

9:4

10:3, 4, 5, 26

Noteworthy teachings

Moroni 5:1 – elements are of wine, not water like the Church serves today

Moroni 6:6 – Wine served in communion – not water

Moroni 7:22 – God is everlasting to everlasting (contradictory to God once being a man)

Moroni 7:26 – saved by faith in God (this is not taught in Mormonism)

Moroni 8:8 – Christ is God, kids can’t sin, Jesus takes away Law of circumcision

Moroni 8:18 – God doesn’t change (contradictory to God once being a man)

Moroni 8:23 – Mockery before God to trust in dead works

Moroni 9:4 – Holy Spirit ceases to strive amongst men

Moroni 9:9 – rape victims are not worthy in God’s eyes (see commentary by Ezra T. Benson in New Era, Jan ’88, pg.4, BYU Devotional of 10/87)

Moroni 10:26 – no need for baptisms for the dead

Moroni 10:29 – Moroni doesn’t lie

Plagiarism

Moroni 6:1, 2, 4, 7 are lifted from Matt. 3:8; Ps. 51:17; Heb. 12:2 and Rev. 3:5 respectively

Compare Moroni 7:1 & 1 Cor. 13:13

Moroni 7:6 and 1 Cor. 13:13

Moroni 7:7 and Romans 4:3

Moroni 7:16 and 1 Cor. 12:7

Moroni 7:17 and Romans 3:12

Moroni 7:18 and Matthew 7:2

Moroni 7:26 and John 16:23; Matthew 21:22

Moroni 7:34 and Acts 2:38

Moroni 7:39 and Hebrews 6:9

Moroni 7:43 and Matt. 11:29

Moroni 7:44 and 1 Cor. 12:3, 13:2

Moroni 7:45 and 1 Cor. 13:4, 5, 6, 7

Moroni 7:46 and 1 Cor. 13:2, 8, 13

Moroni 7:47 (Charity is an old English word for love. It seems odd that Smith would find it necessary to explain this)

Moroni 7:48 and 1 John 3:1, 2, 3

Moroni 8:3 and Acts 4:30

Moroni 8:4 and 1 Cor. 1:11

Moroni 8:6 – chastisement of the people like Paul in Corinthians

Moroni 8:8 and Matt. 9:12-13

Moroni 8:14 and Acts 8:23; 1 Cor. 13:13

Moroni 8:16 and Acts 13:10; Luke 13:3; 1 John 4:18

Moroni 8:26 and John 14:16, 26 (the word Comforter is a Middle English word originating in 1300 AD. Why is this word in the BoM if it wasn’t a word in 421 AD and in the KJV but wasn’t in the Vulgate? – also see our article about Greek and Latin words in the BoM here http://www.lifeafter.org/greeklatin.asp)

Moroni 9:6 and Acts 13:10

Moroni 9:22 and Luke 13:3

Moroni 10:8 and 1 Cor 12:4-7

Moroni 10:9 and 1 Cor. 12:8

Moroni 10:10 and 1 Cor. 12:8

Moroni 10:11 and 1 Cor. 12:9

Moroni 10:12 and 1 Cor. 12:10

Moroni 10:13 and 1 Cor. 12:10

Moroni 10:14 and 1 Cor. 12:10

Moroni 10:15 and 1 Cor. 12:10

Moroni 10:16 and 1 Cor. 12:10

Moroni 10:17 and 1 Cor. 12:11

Moroni 10:19 and Heb. 13:8

Moroni 10:20 and 1 Cor. 13:13

Moroni 10:25 and Romans 3:12

Moroni 10:38 and Zech. 12:10

Moroni 10:31 and Isaiah 52:1

Moroni 10:32 and 2 Cor. 12:9

Moroni 10:34 and Acts 10:42

Grammar Problems

Moroni 1:4; “Wherefore, I write a few more things, contrary to that which I had supposed; for I had supposed not to have written any more; but I write a few more things…”

Moroni 9:24; “…write somewhat a few things, if thou art spared and I shall perish and not see thee…”

Moroni 10:1; “…and I would that they should know that more than four hundred and twenty years have passed away…”

Not Inspired

Moroni 1:1; “Now I, Moroni, after having made an end of abridging the account of the people of Jared, I had supposed not to have written more, but I have not as yet perished…”

Moroni 7:1; “And now I, Moroni, write a few of the words of my father Mormon…”

Moroni 8:1-2; “An epistle of my father Mormon, written to me, Moroni; and it was written unto me soon after my calling to the ministry. And on this wise did he write unto me, saying: 2 My beloved son, Moroni, I rejoice exceedingly that your Lord Jesus Christ hath been mindful of you…”

Moroni 9:24; “…write somewhat a few things, if thou art spared and I shall perish and not see thee…”

Moroni 10:1; “Now I, Moroni, write somewhat as seemeth me good; and I write unto my brethren, the Lamanites…”

Greek and Latin Words in Moroni

35 words used 250 times

1. http://www.christianhistorytimeline.com/DAILYF/2001/09/daily-09-30-2001.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_(410)

http://www.enotes.com/peoples-chronology/year-5th-century-d

http://www.historyworld.net/timesearch

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/421

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The Great Debate

Posted in Great Debates, tagged blood of Jesus, crucifixion, false gospel, false prophet, families are forever, freedom, grace, Jesus, joseph smith, KGNW, lds church, mormonism, salvation, sealings in the temple, Seattle Radio Debate, Stake President, temple endowments, The Cross, truth, Works for salvation, works for the dead on 01/28/2011| 2 Comments »

THE GREAT DEBATES

October 1988

October 2006

Late October 1988, Las Vegas, Nevada. It was there, that a small group of people stood over a hole in the ground, watching as the tiny white casket which held its precious cargo was lowered into its final resting place. The casket held a child of God that was serving a mission for the Lord and from the results of her funeral; many would come to know the saving power of Christ Jesus, His crucifixion and resurrection.

Of course the baby’s parents felt as bad as they looked on that cold autumn morning and the baby’s grandparents, a couple of uncles and a cousin stood by to support her grief-stricken mom and dad. Nothing anyone could say would make it better as far as her mom was concerned and as the sound of the bishop’s voice droned on, the thoughts of the childless new mother was not at her daughter’s graveside.

Within the first five minutes of the eulogy that cold morning Mallory’s mom frantically searched her memory bank of the Jesus she had heard about in her travels over the past six years. What very little she did know wasn’t even close to what that bishop was proclaiming.

At the end of the graveside service the wind picked up as everyone walked back to their vehicles and the heartbroken mom turned to catch one more glimpse of her baby’s casket. The mom and dad drove home in stunned silence for most of the twenty minute drive back to the apartment. Little things were spoken between the two; “she sure had a lot of black curly hair” and “her nose looked just like…” What was there to be said? There was no baby, no help, no hope, no God to reach to and find comfort. The only thing she left that graveyard with was the bishop’s voice telling her that she would never see her baby again because they hadn’t been married in the temple. God would give Mallory to another family who was worthy of her. That’s when the visual made its appearance and the bishop’s voice began to serve as noise in the background.

When he said the words “she’ll be given to another couple who is worthy of her because they have been married in the temple…” her mind instantly pictured a massive white building with little to no windows; the temple. On the other side of the picture there stood a cross with blood that had been dripping from its owner that made the dust that caught the blood Holy ground.

Back at the apartment the young woman walked in her little home to be greeted by her own mother. As they changed clothes and began making lunch the debate that had been at the tips of everyone’s tongues broke loose.

The younger mom said to the older mom; “…didn’t you hear what that guy said? He told me that I was going to hell!” The older mom shook her head and made a clicking noise with her tongue as she told her daughter that she had misunderstood the bishop. The young, defiant woman knew differently; yet sadly enough neither she nor her husband even discussed the funeral until four years later. However, for now the bishop’s quote of the Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith rang in her ears; “If parents are righteous, they will have their children after the resurrection. Little children who die, whose parents are not worthy of an exaltation, will be adopted into the families of those who are worthy.”

How was that to be misunderstood? It seemed rather dry and pretty straightforward to her. She wanted God, but didn’t know how to go about “getting” Him as she was too intimidated to visit another church. She also didn’t know that the Holy, Merciful God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would bless the couple with two more daughters within the next four years and the greatest gift of all; their salvation!

I never could have imagined that eighteen years later I would be praising a righteous Sovereign God for the gift of Mallory Elizabeth Grim and be involved in yet another debate. This time it would be in a Seattle Christian radio station with my husband and of course who else, but a couple of Mormons?!

The debate in that apartment has now lasted 18 years. I’ve never counted how many times I’ve “debated” with my mother about that day so long ago. She is just as convinced today that I misunderstood and I’m even more convinced I heard them correctly. The divide is wide indeed, but Jesus warned us of these days. He said there would be mothers against daughters and sons against fathers on account of His name.

It is almost surreal for me as I look back on that day in Vegas and think of what God has done for my family and for me too. I never would have imagined that this is what I would be doing; yet now I cannot imagine not doing this work! The debate at KGNW last week with Thor Tolo has blessed us beyond measure. We can’t thank everyone enough for their prayers that went up for the event! I’ve had people pray for me before when I speak or do a radio show, but in all honesty I have never experienced what I did this last week and the week prior to the taping of the show! It was very obvious to those in the studio and to Kirk and me that God was present among us!

I noticed the “misunderstandings” and topics between the debate last week and the debate 18 years ago were very similar. They both contained the following subjects: absence of the cross, no assurance of salvation and good works. The most striking similarity was the emptiness in my heart while I wondered why; both then and now. Why is it they won’t even stop to give it (the truth) the slightest of consideration? What bad thing could it bring upon you to just consider the possibility that there may be some truth in what we (non-Mormons; Christians) proclaim?

Mallory wasn’t the only “thing” I buried that day in 1988. Before I got up from my chair at that gravesite I recall looking down into the grave and picturing myself placing my heritage down there as well. I knew on that day my ignorant, misinformed perception of “my people” was over and done with.

One of the first things Thor asked me at the debate was to explain why I believe the Mormons are not Christians. I told him the main reason is because of the cross. In Mormonism there is no cross in the sense of it being the altar of God. Once again, it’s about the cross, or rather the lack thereof. The sign of the empty cross doesn’t just imply, but shouts out the good news of our salvation and resurrection! On the flip side you see the Mormon parents at their child’s funeral. All that is offered is the hope of going to the temple a year later to work for salvation of the child and the parent; no mention of a cross in that scenario.

When Thor asked Stake President Burnham if he had assurance of his salvation, he replied; “Well now you’re testing my humility”. Oh please. I knew he wouldn’t be able to proclaim any good news of rest for his own soul, assurance that the Shepherd is always with him to lead, console and keep watch over His flock. There is no hope when you are working all the time for your own life. How are you rejuvenated, fed, rested and refreshed? You can’t be if you are the one that is always in control. It took me years to disencumber myself of the filthy robe of self-sufficiency. I felt much like what the apostle Paul described in Romans chapter seven; “why do I do the things I don’t want to do but don’t do the things I want to do”? The only way my life got into order is when I got off the merry-go-round of doing good works for my salvation. Even to this day, how could I be sure if it (salvation) was based on my own worthiness? This week and last week I’ve worked pretty hard. Next week I might get distracted or maybe take it easy. How do I justify myself in God’s eyes with this type of spiritual battle going on inside my soul?

As mentioned earlier, we have been so blessed by seeing God at work in people’s lives. It’s been nothing short of an honor to watch His grace flow to those around us! We’re sending out this praise and prayer report so you can be blessed as well! Continue to pray won’t you that those who are struggling with their decision to either join or leave the Church would be made through the will of the true God of the Bible? And pray for us as we help the people in their decisions so that we would only be focused on Him and our reasons for doing this!

Mr. Burnham e-mailed Kirk and me a couple of days after the debate to let us know that he had researched our claim about the false prophecy of Oliver Granger. We’ll be posting that on the site this week. He wanted us to be sure to let everyone know that indeed the prophecy did come true. He (Burnham) found some letters that were written by Granger’s descendants describing their grandfather and what he had done for the Church. As we stated on the show, it didn’t come to pass. This brings us to a little project. We’re asking everyone to let us know; have you ever heard of Oliver Granger? We’ll be posting our findings on the site at the end of the month!

You can download and listen to the debate by clicking on the links below. Each file is approximately 9 MB. These take you to the website of KGNW and the Live From Seattle Show.

Hour 1:

http://boss.streamos.com/download/swn/miscellaneous/kgnw/lfs_special_hour_1.mp3

Hour 2: http://boss.streamos.com/download/swn/miscellaneous/kgnw/lfs_special_hour_2.mp3

Hour 3: http://boss.streamos.com/download/swn/miscellaneous/kgnw/lfs_special_hour_3.mp3

Praise! We cannot give too many details for privacy reasons, however, someone here in the Puget Sound Community, ex-Mormon, accepted the true Lord Jesus into “their” heart as Lord and Savior because of the debate! All we can say is “Praise God!”

We’ve been in touch several times with a very nice lady who listened to KGNW the Monday after the show (Thor actually had me do the program w/ him impromptu). I was able to pray for a woman whose daughter is thinking of joining the Church. Daughter’s name is Lauren, 18, freshman at University of Washington. Lauren needs to be introduced to good Christian kids on campus.

I (Michelle) received several e-mails from members of the Church who believe that I am totally wrong about my claims in regards to the lack of the cross and want for me to issue a public apology for my statements on KGNW. My answer…no.

Praise! An ex-Mormon Christian listening to the debate wrote in to volunteer to help us at the ministry!

Praise! We have a volunteer for translating our tracts from English into Spanish! Because the Lord provided so quickly and abundantly on this I’m going to be confident in asking my next request! If you speak a language other than English or Spanish and would like to see tracts printed in that language and would be willing to translate them for us, let us know!

Praise! We received many requests for mentoring packets. The new outlines are going to print this week, if you’re interested in an expanded, updated version (80 pgs.), don’t forget to send an e-mail to michelle@lifeafter.org to let me know! We’re requesting $3.00 for s+h for postage.

Prayer and Praise! A 40+ year old mentally disabled man contacted Life After about a week before the debate. He was a convert in the LDS Church and was active for approximately seven years. He felt the Lord tell him two months ago to leave the Church because they weren’t Christian. Ironically enough, Michael, ended up attending my church. He then was listening to the radio, heard the debate and called our ministry line. To make things even more confusing for him, Mr. Burnham (from the debate) is Michael’s Stake President. Various members of his ward are harassing him at the stores, etc., in the town they live. I am confident you’ll know how to pray! J This isn’t the first time I’ve had to deal with the Church and mentally impaired members who want out.

Jeff Burnham – Stake President at debate.

Doug Crandall – Jeff’s neighbor and fellow Mormon at debate.

We thank each and every one of you for praying for us and the ministry. We couldn’t do this without you! May God bless you and our warmest greetings go out to you as you celebrate this upcoming Thanksgiving!

With Love in Christ;

Michelle Grim

1 Cor. 1:18

www.lifeafter.org

Quote of the month from the Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 156; “O ye Twelve! and all Saints! profit by this important Key—that in all your trials, troubles, temptations, afflictions, bonds, imprisonments and death, see to it, that you do not betray heaven; that you do not betray Jesus Christ; that you do not betray the brethren; that you do not betray the revelations of God, whether in Bible, Book of Mormon, or Doctrine and Covenants, or any other that ever was or ever will be given and revealed unto man in this world or that which is to come. Yea, in all your kicking and flounderings, see to it that you do not this thing, lest innocent blood be found upon your skirts, and you go down to hell. All other sins are not to be compared to sinning against the Holy Ghost, and proving a traitor to the brethren.”

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Will the Real Joseph Smith Please Stand Up

Posted in Joseph Smith the Real Story, tagged angel of light, bible, Book of Mormon, con artist, false prophet, freedom, grace, heavenly messenger, Jesus, joseph smith, lies, nine visions, sacred grove, truth on 01/25/2011| 11 Comments »

Joseph Smith’s Character

Will the Real Joseph Smith Please Stand Up?

By Mark Grote 2004

Born on December 23, 1805, Joseph Smith could run faster, throw farther and jump higher than the other kids in Sharon, Vermont. If you tour the sites in Nauvoo, IL., the place of his death, that’s what you’ll hear of Joseph Smith as you move about the historical landmarks.

But if you are interested in facts, instead of legends, you might find yourself questioning whether it’s a good idea to put your eternity in the hands and beliefs of this man.

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Greek in the Book of Mormon pt. 2

Posted in Greek in the Book of Mormon, tagged bible, Book of Mormon, false gospel, false prophet, Greek, Jesus, Jesus the way truth light, joseph smith, Latin, Redeemer, salvation, Savior, truth on 01/19/2011| Leave a Comment »

Greek Words in the Book of Mormon Part 2

Several months ago we published an article on our site focusing on the Greek words in the Book of Mormon. After we published it we received more than a handful of inquiries about the numbers for each word.

In light of your requests I enlisted a devoted partner of LAM to double check my work. Thanks to Alice’s kindness, here is the final tally! I chose to only count the Greek words up to the end of Helaman as that takes the reader up to circa 1 BC to 1 AD.

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Greek in the Book of Mormon

Posted in Greek in the Book of Mormon, tagged bible, Book of Mormon, false gospel, false prophecy, false prophet, gospel, Greek and Latin words, Jesus, joseph smith, salvation, truth on 01/17/2011| 5 Comments »

Greek and Latin Words and Other Problems in the Book of Mormon Part 1

This is the first of several articles dealing with the “Problems in the Book of Mormon”. Make sure you check back often to see other issues that we see as problematic for the Mormon Church.

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Denouncing Mormonism

Posted in Denouncing Mormonism, tagged assurance of salvation, denouncing Mormonism, false gospel, false prophet, false teacher, freedom, grace, Jesus, joseph smith, lds church, Redeemer, salvation, truth on 01/17/2011| Leave a Comment »

DENOUNCING THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

First of all we must tell you congratulations on getting out of the Mormon Church! We are celebrating your new found freedom and rejoice with the angels as you begin your new walk with the Lord Christ Jesus! Please keep us updated on your progress so we may be blessed by continuing to pray for you and your loved ones.

We have found over the years that it is in the best interest of the new ex-Mormon if they go out and find a Bible believing church which they feel comfortable in attending and get re-baptized into the Lord Jesus Christ. If you’ve been married in the temple or by a Mormon bishop or chaplain you might think about renewing your wedding vows as well.

It’s vitally important to denounce any of the vows that you’ve taken in the temples or ward meetings to help free yourself from the Mormon way of thinking. This is a step which separates you spiritually from the Church and gives Jesus the power to do His work in you. You might want to pray something like this:

“In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the authority I possess as a believer in Him, I rebuke any and all lying and deceitful spirits of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which may still think that they have a claim on me or my family. In Jesus’ name, I renounce the spirits of priestcraft, the spirits of Moroni and Mormo and declare that you have no power over me any more, for I am bought and paid for by the blood of Jesus of Nazareth who died for me on Calvary.

I renounce any covenants made by me at my baptism into the LDS Church and any priesthood or Bishopric blessings given to me. (If a former Temple Mormon: I renounce any and all covenants made in the LDS temple— especially those placing my family and children under bondage to demonic principalities and powers!) By the power of the blood of Jesus, I also renounce any generational sin or hereditary bondage which may be oppressing me or my family through covenants made by my parents or ancestors; and I nail all these things to the cross of Christ, “forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.” (Phil.3:13-14) In Jesus’ name. Amen.”

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Studying the Book of Mormon 10

Posted in Studying the Book of Mormon 10, tagged bible, Book of Mormon, false gospel, false prophet, freedom, God, Holy Spirit, Jesus, joseph smith, Lamanites, Lehi, Mormon, Moroni, Nephites, salvation, truth on 01/17/2011| Leave a Comment »

Studying the Book of Mormon 10

http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/NE/miscne01.htm

Boston Courier.
Vol. VI. Boston, Ma., Thursday, March 17, 1831. No. 545.

DELUSION. There is no end to trickery and imposture in our land. “Fools are the game which knaves pursue,” and until the people in some sections of the country become more enlightened, there will be plenty of game.

The newspaper headline above provides insight to what most people thought of Joseph Smith and his shenanigans. This edition of the Boston Courier was fascinating. We are able to see how the early Mormon Church was able to grow and to what extent the surrounding townsfolk tolerated this movement. Most didn’t put up with it, while others were able to be tricked into their schemes. At one point a Methodist church had Rigdon and a few others come in and actually preach at the pulpit – the entire congregation left God and signed up to become Mormon.

Mormon 9:32-33; “And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech. 33 And if our plates had been sufficiently large we should have written in Hebrew; but the Hebrew hath been altered by us also; and if we could have written in Hebrew, behold, ye would have had no imperfection in our record.”

The passage above is a good example of how the Church makes excuses for the way they believe. Does it make sense they’ve altered the Hebrew or Reformed Egyptian? His explanation reminds me of what the con artist tries to pull off at carnivals. He puts the prize under the shell and mixes them around; if you find it, you win.

Tragically, the unfound prize in this game is the salvation in Jesus that Mormons are so desperately seeking. The Mormon god keeps changing the rules; the people writing the story changed the language and the members won’t change their minds about whom they hold allegiance to.

The entire Book of Mormon (not just this particular book) is difficult to follow or assign a central theme to because of the miserable way it’s been written. The writing of Moroni in the Book of Mormon is no exception to this finding. They purposely introduce off topic items in order to confuse. Because of this, I’ve chosen to list several items of interest that actually hurts the storyline instead of adding to the message it was originally intended to convey. If it’s to be a cohesive piece of work why is there so much garbage in its text?

I’ve not written my analysis this way to confuse, but to spark an objective thinking process about Joseph Smith and his claim about the characters in this book.

If you’re LDS, know that we pray for you each and every day. We so want for you to know the Jesus in the Bible and dedicate your passion to Him who holds the truth.

With Love in Christ;

Michelle Grim

1 Cor. 1:18

There are 227 verses in the Book of Mormon

Verses with the phrase “And it Came to Pass”: 61x in 57 verses

Mormon 1:6; “And it came to pass that I, being eleven years old…”

1:6, 8, 10, 11 (2x), 12, 19 – 7x, 6 verses

2:1, 2, 3, 4 (2x), 7, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 20 (2x), 21, 22, 23, 25, 26 – 18x, 16 verses

3:1, 2, 4, 5, 7 (2x), 11, 16 – 8x, 7 verses

4:1, 2, 6, 7, 8, 10, 13, 15, 19, 22 – 10 verses

5:1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 20 – 7 verses

6:1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 15 – 9 verses

8:2 – 1 verse

Verses describing years that have passed: 18

2:3, 9, 16, 22, 28

3:1, 4, 7, 8

4:1, 7, 10, 15, 16

5:5, 6

6:5

8:6

Verses with False Prophecies: 9

1:17

5:8

7: intro

8:1, 32

9:6, 9, 32, 33

Verses with grammar problems: 4

4:21

6:10, 11, 16

Verses with No Contentions/Peace: 2

1:12

4:16

Verses with Wars: 11

1:8, 13

2:1, 15

4:10, 18

5:6

6:2, 15

8:2, 8

Verses with partial sentences/phrases from the Bible: 30

2:14

3:2, 15 (2x), 20, 22

5:14, 16, 18

6:21 (2x)

7:5 (2x), 7, 8 (2x), 9, 10

8:17, 20, 29, 30, 31

9:2, 7, 9 (2x), 13 (2x), 14, 22, 23, 24 (2x), 27, 28 (2x), 29 (2x)

Main Events in Mormon

1:7; “The whole face of the land had become covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous almost, as it were the sand of the sea.”

30,000+ Nephites gathered to fight – Mormon 1:11

Hidden treasures become slippery – Mormon 1:18

Why did Jesus die if the “Day of grace is gone”? – Mormon 2:15, 26

Bodies piled up like dung on earth – 2:15

Lamanites sent epistle to warn of battle – Mormon 3:4

Mormon refuses to lead in battle – Mormon 3:11

Strange – “…Without calling upon that Being who created them…” – Mormon 5:2

Invitation to fight at Cumorah – Mormon 6:2

100,000 die in battles – Mormon 6:14

110,000 die in battles – Mormon 6:15

Trinity teaching – Mormon 7:7

If you’ll believe this story, you’ll believe the Bible – Mormon 7:9

Scriptures not inspired; Moroni commanded by his father to write scripture – Mormon 8:1

Scriptures not inspired; Moroni would write but he’s run out of materials – Mormon 8:5

Those 3 disciples disappear – 8:10

Pardon all the mistakes in the sacred cannon – Mormon 8:12

Person who discovers the hidden books is blessed, yeah, that means Joe Smith – Mormon 8:14-16

If you doubt the book you are damned – Mormon 8:17-20

Saints could remove mountains – Mormon 8:24

Modern day Mormon theology – Mormon 8:32

“…happy to dwell with that holy Being…” – Mormon 9:3

The righteous are pure, fair and white – Mormon 9:6

God doesn’t change – Mormon 9:9, 10, 19

Jesus doesn’t do miracles anymore because everyone stopped believing – Mormon 9:20

Explanation of reformed Egyptian – Mormon 9:32-33

Events Worth Questioning

1:7; “The whole face of the land had become covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous almost, as it were the sand of the sea.”

Think about the above scenario for a moment. The entire face of the land was covered with buildings – and they still haven’t found even one piece of archaeological evidence…

If there were almost as many people on the face of the land as there were grains of sand, how did they all fit? As a side note, there are approximately 10,000 grains of medium-coarse sand per cubic inch…

God wouldn’t let Mormon preach

When has God ever told people not to speak about Him?

Mormon 1:17; “But I did remain among them, but I was forbidden to preach unto them, because of the hardness of their hearts…”

Fighting for Democracy and Liberty

Modern democracy like America knows it didn’t come about until the Declaration of Independence in 1776. While forms of living in a “free world” made half hearted attempts and brief appearances as early as the Greco-Roman Empire and again in 1215 with the advent of the Magna Carta, this thought process and governmental system wasn’t in existence until centuries after the Book of Mormon was supposed to have taken place.

Mormon 2:23; “And it came to pass that I did speak unto my people, and did urge them with great energy, that they would stand boldly before the Lamanites and fight for their wives, and their children, and their houses, and their homes.”

If you believe in God why are you without hope?

Mormon 5:2; “But behold, I was without hope, for I knew the judgments of the Lord which should come upon them; for they repented not of their iniquities, but did struggle for their lives without calling upon that Being who created them.”

Were the Nephites evil?

Mormon 6:7; “And it came to pass that my people, with their wives and their children, did now behold the armies of the Lamanites marching towards them; and with that awful fear of death which fills the breasts of all the wicked, did they await to receive them.”

If you believe in God, why are you using the terminology of witches?

Mormon 6:15; “…and blood lay upon the face of the earth, being left by the hands of those who slew them to molder upon the land, and to crumble and to return to their mother earth.”

Why is the destruction of the Nephites “great and marvelous”?

Mormon 8:7; “And behold, the Lamanites have hunted my people, the Nephites, down from city to city and from place to place, even until they are no more; and great has been their fall; yea, great and marvelous is the destruction of my people, the Nephites.”

Modern day Mormon theology

In order to receive a full and true salvation members of the LDS Church must subject themselves to a bishop’s interview. It is there the bishop will ask the member if their spiritual lives are in order and that means paying a full 10% tithe of your gross income. You turn in your W-2 and if you don’t comply, you don’t receive the coveted Mormon temple recommend. The end of each year brings with it a “tithing settlement” you make with the ward (congregation) you belong to.

Mormon 8:32; “Yea, it shall come in a day when there shall be churches built up that shall say: Come unto me, and for your money you shall be forgiven of your sins.”

Incorrect teaching in Mormon

The Mormon teaching below is disingenuous. Yes, we can be resurrected because Jesus was resurrected after His death. However, Jesus’ death brought about forgiveness of our sins, alas, that is something the Mormons don’t like to talk about.

Romans 4:25; “Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.”

Mormon 9:13; “…because the death of Christ bringeth to pass the resurrection…”

Not enough room to tell whole story because they’ve changed the languages

I’ve often wondered why they didn’t just write in Hebrew to begin with. Where did this “Reformed Egyptian” stuff come from anyway? Who told them to write in this manner? Who taught the Nephites this language if they didn’t go into Egypt in their exodus from Jerusalem? Why did the author(s) waste so much space on their plates with nonsensical information like the examples above? (Number of years passed, bad grammar, “and it came to pass” phrases used repetitively, plagiarisms from the Bible, et al.)

No one but Smith knows Reformed Egyptian

How convenient…

Mormon 9:34; “But the Lord knoweth the things which we have written, and also that none other people knoweth our language; and because that none other people knoweth our language, therefore he hath prepared means for the interpretation thereof.”

How do you rid your clothes of the blood of unbelievers?

Mormon 9:35; “And these things are written that we may rid our garments of the blood of our brethren, who have dwindled in unbelief.”

And finally – if there were so many Nephites in this army of 42,000 and 30,000, etc., what in the world happened to all of them? Where are they, how did they die, where are their families….where is the archaeological evidence of these people?

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Families are Forever

Posted in Families are Forever, tagged bible, Ensign, false gospel, false prophet, families are forever, freedom, grace, Jesus, mormonism, truth on 01/16/2011| Leave a Comment »

ARE FAMILIES REALLY FOREVER?

I was reminded of a familiar phrase well known by church members this past week when I received my LDS-Gems e-mail of the day. The topic was about the Families are Forever plan the LDS Church promotes to its members.

While I have entertained many questions about this doctrine throughout the years, I was saddened and perplexed by the content of the message that had originated from an article in the November 1996 issue of the Ensign. The message was delivered by Robert D. Hales, one of the apostles for the LDS Church.

The very first line of the e-mail said the following: “While our individual salvation is based on our individual obedience, it is equally important that we understand that we are each an important and integral part of a family and the highest blessings can be received only within an eternal family.”

“Wow”, I thought to myself, “am I ever thankful this isn’t truth”! It reminded me of what it says in 2 Nephi 25:23; “For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” Just those two teachings from the Church have me exhausted already! It is certainly all about mortal man and his obedience to perform good works and then if he got anything wrong, Jesus will be the sweep-up man “just in case”.

In contrast, here is what Paul said in Romans 2:12; “For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law.”

If I am the one responsible for making sure I get to heaven then I am doomed from the get-go. I am unworthy to live under the Law of Moses. I do want to obey; the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak – Matthew 26:41. I am unworthy because of my sin. I am absolutely certain I would not go to heaven if my salvation was dependent upon the Law.

The first thing that comes to mind is that I am without a temple to perform sacrifices unto God. The LDS temples we see dotting various landscapes throughout the world are not patterned after the specifications of what our Holy and Righteous God commanded the Israelites must build when He gave them the Law.

Next, I am without a proper sacrifice to offer to God. Now I could probably come up with enough money to purchase a sacrifice outside the walls of the temple from those who sell that commodity. But where am I going to find a temple? Would I even know which sacrifice to purchase to give to the priests inside the temple so they could sacrifice in my name? There are 613 laws in the Old Testament. If I am to live by obedience to get me into heaven, I have a lot of studying and behavior modification to take into consideration and get performing!

Then and only then, I see in 2^nd Nephi that I have the privilege of looking to Jesus and honoring his name by knowing he died after I did all my duties to obey the Law of Moses. It reminds me of a friend of mine. She was expecting company to come in from out of town that she hadn’t seen in years. She wanted everything to be perfect for the visit so she invested almost $500 to have a cleaning brigade come in and help her in advance. Before they got there she spent an entire week bleaching walls, scrubbing floors and washing windows so no one would see the “real Janet”. I felt so badly for her. She was in a complete mess by the anticipated arrival of family members. They stayed for a few days, but most of their time was spent site-seeing and very little time was spent in her ultra-clean home.

To the members of the LDS Church: are you racing around like Janet trying to clean things up before Jesus’ arrival? I guarantee you; it’ll never be enough when you don’t believe your salvation is free! Hebrews 10:5-6 tells us that God isn’t interested in your sacrifices. “Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.”

The other part of that first sentence in the e-mail I received gave me more things to think about as well. “…, it is equally important we understand that we are each an important and integral part of a family and the highest blessings can be received only within an eternal family.”

For those who are not intimately aware of what this really means, here’s the translation: If you do not go to the temple and take oaths to be sealed to your family for eternity you will not be going to the highest level of heaven, the Celestial Kingdom. For the Mormon, this is where “true salvation” is found.

The Teachings of Joseph Smith, pg. 300 says this; “Except a man and his wife enter into an everlasting covenant and be married for eternity, while in this probation, by the power and authority of the Holy Priesthood, they will cease to increase when they die; that is, they will not have any children after the resurrection. But those who are married by the power and authority of the priesthood in this life, and continue without committing the sin against the Holy Ghost, will continue to increase and have children in the celestial glory.”

Here’s reality with the family I was born into – my parents are divorced – an eternity for them is being in the same room together for longer than five minutes. I am fully aware I am not the only person that has been Mormon with this situation.

So – if I were still a member of the LDS Church, with whom would I be spending eternity with? My father isn’t active and my step-mother is; while my mother is very active, but my step-father isn’t active at all. Let’s complicate the matter a little further by imagining that my husband and I were active, as well as his parents. Do we live with his family or mine? What if our kids get married and have a family – if they decide not to reside with us wouldn’t that negate the phrase “Families are Forever”?

Tired yet? I know I am and I also know that this must be what goes on in the minds of many Mormons. Just think of all the time wasted on the “I wonder if’s” in life instead of the one sure thing – that being Christ Jesus! 2 Cor. 10:5 tells us to hold all thoughts captive to the obedience of Christ. Philippians 4:8 says whatever is true, honorable, right, pure, lovely, good repute and worthy of praise; these are the things that we are to have our minds dwell upon. Does the scenario of possibilities with my family exemplify these admonitions from Paul?

When I presented my mother with her reality, she told me it wasn’t for her to worry about here on earth; she’ll be getting all those answers after she dies. I’ve no doubt she will and it’s what makes me so sad for her.

As we read further into the “Gem” of the day we see the following:

“It is not enough just to save ourselves. It is equally important that parents, brothers, and sisters are saved in our families. If we return home alone to our Heavenly Father, we will be asked, ‘Where is the rest of the family?’ This is why we teach that families are forever. The eternal nature of an individual becomes the eternal nature of the family.””

Again, all I can say is “wow” as I shake my head in bewilderment. If you choose to believe you must work your way to heaven, so be it. I’d never say that I agree with your precepts; however you’re free to worship as you see fit. The issue I have is with the doctrines of the LDS Church. They are in exact opposition to the most basic teachings of historical Judeo-Christian theology.

My heart is sad all over again not just for my mother, but for all Mormons as well when I read statements like the one made by Mr. Hales, the LDS apostle. What a burden it must be for the Mormon believing they are responsible for the salvation of those in their family as well as for themselves. Talk about a guilt trip!

In the Encyclopedia of Joseph Smith’s Teachings it says; “The question is frequently asked “Can we not be saved without going through with all those ordinances, &c.?” I would answer, No, not the fullness of salvation. Jesus said, “There are many mansions in my Father’s house, and I will go and prepare a place for you.” House here named should have been translated kingdom; and any person who is exalted to the highest mansion has to abide a celestial law, and the whole law too. (Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 7 Vols. 6:184).”

To show that I am not taking things out of context let’s take a look at yet another doctrine of the LDS Church. It’s fascinating, the more I read about the necessity of being sealed to family members, the more incredible the story becomes.

The Doctrines of Salvation 2:173-5 says; “When everything gets finished, we will all be one family…And we will all be subject to our first progenitor, Adam, Michael, the archangel, who has been appointed and given authority under Jesus Christ to stand at the head and preside over all his posterity….There will be cases where some of our ancestors will not be worthy and will drop out, but the links will have to be joined without them…And, therefore, when the Prophet says we cannot be exalted without them, he is thinking of the family connections-generation to generation. And if we are going to sit down and do nothing…we are just setting ourselves off on the side.”

Let’s take a good look at what God says in the Bible about works and our salvation. Galatians 2:20-1 says; “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

It wouldn’t matter where you turn in Mormonism, the message is pretty clear. Sure, they say that they believe Jesus is the Son of God; why yes, they also say He was crucified for man’s sin and then resurrected on the third day so that we can live forever with Him.

Tell me though my friend, where in the above LDS teachings did you see anything said about the cross? I saw they exalted Adam and named him as Michael the archangel, which of course isn’t true either. They exalted man, a created being, and tried lowering the status of Jesus. His blood means nothing according to what Paul says if living by righteousness is needed.

There’s something else that needs attention to this matter. Jesus Himself said in Matthew 22:23-29; “The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him, Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. And last of all the woman died also. Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.”

Obviously the Sadducees had a few issues and Jesus answered them plainly letting everyone know the ways of the Lord God in heaven. Isn’t it interesting that when we have our minds set on earthly things we cannot, or will not, believe there are other things possible that man cannot imagine?

This is another example of what happens when man exalts himself and chooses to de-glorify Christ Jesus. How much of a “coincidence” do you think it is that this passage of scripture is in the Bible? It’s just like what Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes 1:9-10; “The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.”

The real New and Everlasting Covenant is Christ Jesus, God’s perfect Sacrificial Lamb provided for you. You can read about it in the book of Hebrews chapters 7-10; Jesus is the only one who holds the priesthood now. The New and Everlasting Covenant is not that of marriage in the LDS temple. You’ve been lied to my friend and we are praying that you know the truth because we are convinced that in your hearts you truly want to know and love the Jesus of the Bible!

With Love in Christ;

Michelle Grim

1 Cor, 1:18

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13 Articles of Faith and 13 Principles of Faith Compared

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13 Articles of Faith in Mormonism AND 13 Principles of the Jewish Faith Compared

For those who are students of Mormonism, including me, it is interesting to take note of “coincidences” that present themselves for comparison. What I find fascinating is how many times Joseph Smith came up with the idea of incorporating so many genres of religions and ideologies into what we know today as Mormonism.

Belief in a pre-existence reminds me of Hinduism and re-incarnation. You can essentially make yourself over, so to speak, and try the best you can to become a god. In Mormonism we see the temple oaths which obviously come from Masonry; Mormonism mimics Catholicism by having to repent to man for forgiveness. It is very much like Islam by the way they worship the founders, Muhommad and Joseph Smith. Not to mention the way they both treat women by subjugating them to a class just under cow status.

I don’t know how many times I’ve been reminded that Mormonism is nothing more than modern day Gnosticism. Or how they seem to be like the early Israelites when Moses went up to Mt. Sinai to speak with God and receive the Ten Commandments; remember how they worshipped around the golden calf and forgot the promises they made to God? And let us not forget the modern-day custom of bigotry and slavery based on skin color.

The subject of this article is one of those examples as I’m having a difficult time believing this is a “coincidence”. So come along with me as we look at the Thirteen Articles of Faith in Mormonism and the Thirteen Principles of the Jewish Faith.

Before we begin let me clarify one major point. I am not well versed in the Jewish faith. It was only a few short weeks ago that I learned of the Thirteen Principles of the Jewish Faith! I’ve never seen this in the Bible and have been unaware. Since then I have tried to learn as much as possible about it, but by no means am I an expert. If you are intimate with these Thirteen Articles of the Jewish Faith and have more insight to share, please write to us! Please forgive me if I have sounded ignorant enough to offend and know that is not my intention. I e-mailed a friend of mine who is a director for Chosen People Ministries and asked him to give me a short synopsis of these Thirteen Principles so my thanks go out to Daniel! He shared with me that the “wording varies in the different ways the articles are enunciated”.

Because there are various sets of these “principles” that have been adapted by different sects within Judaism, I am using what seemed to be the most common. I’ve listed another set at the end of this article.

Below are side by side comparisons of the LDS Thirteen Articles of Faith and the Thirteen Principles of the Jewish Faith. The LDS’ version won’t be in order as this makes it easier to show the similarities. The Jewish Principles are in order.

You can also find a copy of the Thirteen Articles of Faith in order at the back of any Pearl of Great Price, or on the Mormon website here: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/1

This particular version of the Thirteen Principles of the Jewish Faith used was taken from the website of Wikipedia at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_principles_of_faith and are listed at the end of this article as well.

You the reader may find that you would have placed the LDS Articles of Faith with a different Jewish Principle of Faith, so please share your ideas. My purpose in putting this on the site is to show the members of the LDS faith how similar Smith’s “revelation” was to something that had been created by a Jewish rabbi who lived from 1135 to 1204 AD. The Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon formulated the principles while studying at the University of Fes in Morocco. It wasn’t until after the “Enlightenment Period” that his teachings were widely accepted by a large majority of the Jewish believers. They now serve as part of their daily prayers. You can learn more about Rabbi Maimon at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maimonides

Again, the reason we write these articles and share them with you the reader, is to plant the idea that it’s okay to ask questions. It’s all right if you want further clarification on the doctrines of the Church or any church for that matter! Your eternal soul is at stake and I would hope this fact would mean more than the fear you may harbor inside.

If you’d like more information on Mormonism or would like to add someone to our prayer list, send us an e-mail!

With love in Christ;

Michelle Grim

1 Cor. 1:18

Judaism – “I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His Name, is the Creator and Guide of everything that has been created; He alone has made, does make, and will make all things.”

LDS – “We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.”

Judaism – “I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His Name, is One, and that there is no unity in any manner like His, and that He alone is our God, who was, and is, and will be.”

LDS – “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.”

Judaism – “I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His Name, is not a body, and that He is free from all the properties of matter, and that there can be no (physical) comparison to Him whatsoever.”

LDS – “We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.”

Judaism – “I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His Name, is the first and the last.”

LDS – “We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.”

Judaism – “I believe with perfect faith that to the Creator, blessed be His Name, and to Him alone, it is right to pray, and that it is not right to pray to any being besides Him.”

LDS – “We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.”

Judaism – “I believe with perfect faith that all the words of the prophets are true.”

LDS – “We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.”

Judaism – “I believe with perfect faith that the prophecy of Moses, our teacher, peace be upon him, was true, and that he was the chief of the prophets, both of those who preceded him and of those who followed him.”

LDS – “We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.”

Judaism – “I believe with perfect faith that the entire Torah that is now in our possession is the same that was given to Moses, our teacher, peace be upon him.”

LDS – “We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.”

Judaism – “I believe with perfect faith that this Torah will not be exchanged, and that there will never be any other Torah from the Creator, blessed be His name.”

LDS – “We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.”

Judaism – “I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His name, knows all the deeds of human beings, and all their thoughts, as it says: “Who fashioned the hearts of them all, Who comprehends all their actions.” (Psalm 33:15)

LDS – “We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.”

Judaism – “I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His Name, rewards those that keep His commandments and punishes those that transgress them.”

LDS – “We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.”

Judaism – “I believe with perfect faith in the coming of the Messiah; and even though he may tarry, nonetheless I wait every day for his coming.”

LDS – “We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.”

Judaism – “I believe with perfect faith that there will be a revival of the dead at the time when it shall please the Creator, blessed be His name, and His mention shall be exalted for ever and ever.”

LDS – “We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.”

Maimonides’ 13 Principles of Faith

From the website:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_principles_of_faith

1 I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His Name, is the Creator and Guide of everything that has been created; He alone has made, does make, and will make all things.”

2 I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His Name, is One, and that there is no unity in any manner like His, and that He alone is our God, who was, and is, and will be.

3 I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His Name, is not a body, and that He is free from all the properties of matter, and that there can be no (physical) comparison to Him whatsoever.

4 I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His Name, is the first and the last.

5 I believe with perfect faith that to the Creator, blessed be His Name, and to Him alone, it is right to pray, and that it is not right to pray to any being besides Him.

6 I believe with perfect faith that all the words of the prophets are true.

7 I believe with perfect faith that the prophecy of Moses, our teacher, peace be upon him, was true, and that he was the chief of the prophets, both of those who preceded him and of those who followed him.

8 I believe with perfect faith that the entire Torah that is now in our possession is the same that was given to Moses, our teacher, peace be upon him.

9 I believe with perfect faith that this Torah will not be exchanged, and that there will never be any other Torah from the Creator, blessed be His name.

10 I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His name, knows all the deeds of human beings, and all their thoughts, as it says: “Who fashioned the hearts of them all, Who comprehends all their actions.” (Psalm 33:15)

11 I believe with perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His Name, rewards those that keep His commandments and punishes those that transgress them.

12 I believe with perfect faith in the coming of the Messiah; and even though he may tarry, nonetheless I wait every day for his coming.

13 I believe with perfect faith that there will be a revival of the dead at the time when it shall please the Creator, blessed be His name, and His mention shall be exalted for ever and ever.

LDS 13 Articles of Faith

1 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

5 We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

6 We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

7 We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God. –10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

http://www.moshiach.com/discover/articles/thirteen_principles_of_faith.php

1. Belief in the existence of the Creator, be He Blessed, who is perfect in every manner of existence and is the Primary Cause of all that exists.

2. The belief in G-d’s absolute and unparalleled unity.

3. The belief in G-d’s noncorporeality, nor that He will be affected by any physical occurrences, such as movement, or rest, or dwelling.

4. The belief in G-d’s eternity.

5. The imperative to worship Him exclusively and no foreign false gods.

6. The belief that G-d communicates with man through prophecy.

7. The belief that the prophecy of Moses our teacher has priority.

8. The belief in the divine origin of the Torah.

9. The belief in the immutability of the Torah.

10. The belief in divine omniscience and providence.

11. The belief in divine reward and retribution.

12. The belief in the arrival of the Messiah and the messianic era.

13. The belief in the resurrection of the dead.

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Praying to Jesus

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Mormons Told Not to Pray to Jesus

Our relationship with Jesus Christ must be the most important relationship that we ever have. In addition, the most important avenue we have in cultivating any relationship is through communication. On March 2, 1982 Bruce McConkie delivered a ‘Fireside and Devotional Speech’ at BYU on the correct protocol for having such a relationship with the ‘godhead’. Today we’re looking at what McConkie said and comparing it with what God says about a relationship with Him.

“There are yet others who have an excessive zeal that causes them to go beyond the mark. Their desire for excellence is inordinate. In an effort to be truer than true they devote themselves to gaining a special, personal relationship with Christ that is both improper and perilous.”

Get ready…he’s going to tell us that having a personal relationship with Jesus is a hobby that is unholy.

“I say perilous because this course, particularly in the lives of some who are spiritually immature, is a gospel hobby that creates an unwholesome holier-than-thou attitude. In other instances it leads to despondency because the seeker after perfection knows he is not living the way he supposes he should. Another peril is that those so involved begin to pray directly to Christ because of some special friendship they feel has been developed. In this connection a current and unwise book, which advocates gaining a special relationship with Jesus, contains this sentence – ‘Because the Savior is our mediator, our prayers go through Christ to the Father, and the Father answers our prayers through His Son.’ This is plain sectarian nonsense.” –Bruce McConkie, March 2, 1982

Shocking isn’t it? I found this to be one of the top ten most heretical teachings of the Church. All throughout scripture we read that God wants nothing more than for us to have a personal relationship with His Son Jesus Christ. The apostle John goes into great detail on how to achieve this and what it means to know and love Him in 1^st John, in fact the letter was directed to the saints to beware of the Gnostics. The theme for chapter one is fellowship with Christ. Then Peter tells us in his second epistle how important it is to know Jesus Christ.

As you’re aware, there are different kinds of knowledge. I know President Bush. I’ve seen him on television and heard him speak. And then there’s the knowledge that is on the more intimate level. I know my good friends; I’ve shared meals and prayed with them. Most importantly I know Jesus Christ.

In 2^nd Peter 1:8; it says; “For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

He’s telling us that we need to know Him, really know Him. Our salvation is dependent upon this knowledge of the Lord and He wants nothing less than for us to be with Him.

In vs. 8 the word knowledge in the Greek is epignosis. It means the full discernment or recognition of. This is the same type of knowledge as found in 1 Peter 3:7; having the experience of knowing someone very well.

Let’s look at 2 Peter 1:5; “And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge.” The word knowledge here is gnosis. This means the act of knowing (as by science). This type of knowledge enables us to avoid error. We see this example again in 2 Peter 3:18; “But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.”

The next example is the word gnosko. It means to know experientially, to be sure of.

1 John 2:13-14; “I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning.”

Hebrews 3:10; “Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, they do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.”

Oh dear ones don’t be tempted or fooled by statements such as the ones given by McConkie. It is vital and necessary to really know Jesus Christ. Your relationship with Him can and should be the most important relationship you’ll ever have in your life. It should be above your relationship with your spouse, your children and your friends. No one can compare with Him!

Here are some other things said by McConkie in this speech:

“I shall speak of our relationship with the Lord and of the true fellowship all saints should have with the Father. I shall set forth what we must believe relative to the Father and the Son in order to gain eternal life…

There is no salvation in believing any false doctrine, particularly a false or unwise view about the Godhead or any of its members. Eternal life is reserved for those who know God and the One whom He sent to work out the infinite and eternal atonement…”

I pray the Mormons think about the statement by McConkie and sincerely contemplate the following things;

Why isn’t it arrogant to believe you can become a god?

What is so improper and perilous about having a relationship with Jesus Christ?

If the verses I used are mistranslated, what are the correct translations?

Why does the Bible have so many references to having a relationship with His Son if we aren’t supposed to do that?

Why is praying to Jesus wrong?

My heart is so sad over this speech. I think of all the blessings that are missed out on by not having a deep relationship with Jesus and cannot imagine what it would be like to live like that again. The main blessing of course is our salvation. This subject is far more important than just the ‘little red school house’ or ‘mother love’. I don’t get my feathers ruffled over such trivial things. The truth is that he is lying about God and Jesus Christ. The truth is that we are told by God to love and know Jesus Christ and not to be tricked into believing that knowledge will gain our salvation. You can read about all these things from the epistle of second Peter of being diligent, to John’s first epistle teaching us about the love of God and how to abide in Him; these are the quintessential truths of His Word.

The basics of Christianity are to know and worship God. We do this by accepting His Son as the atoning sacrifice on the cross. We also worship Him by knowing that having a true relationship can only be done through communication. My husband and I have a strong marriage because we have an open line of communication at all times. I can’t imagine not talking with my husband each day of my life. It would be no relationship at all. Prayer is and must be the necessary element of any Christian’s life!

Being a Christian also means knowing our position within the boundaries of the relationship, being a follower of the Lord and knowing His Word. I’m not bringing God down to my level by worshipping His Son. I’m worshipping God the Father by worshipping His Son.

I’ve been in ministry work for over ten years now and each time I quote McConkie I am told that his writings, etc., are not what the church believes. To this I say; hogwash! This is what the church believes, they do listen to him and they do obey his council, even since his death in 1985. His writings and speeches are listed all over their products and still sold in their bookstores.

He didn’t teach anything that the church didn’t already teach. I would encourage the Mormon to visit the website of BYU to see the speech in full. You can read it for yourself and then read what Jesus has to say about a relationship with Him!

www.byu.edu You’ll find his speech under ‘Devotionals’. The title of the speech is; ‘Our Relationship with the Lord’.

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Signs of a Cult

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Signs of a Cult

A cult is a group that deviates doctrinally from a parent or host religion. Cults would include Mormonism, JW’s, Christian Scientists, et al. A cult doesn’t necessarily have to comply with each example to be a cult.

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